Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:28:29 -0400
Reply-To: Vanagon Man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Vanagon Man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 2.1 hose price deal ...move on!!!!No offenses were meant!
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No promises were made or given..I just kept saving until it is time to
install my new motor. No order was in with vanagain. i have had and will
continue to have a good relationship with list vendors. kenn is great, and
i have bought many things. I also left a message with Vanagin a few weeks
back for an AFM, and no return call was made, so i bought it else where. Do
I feel bad? Not really, although i would have preferred to give Vaanagain
the business for the AFM, and I would have saved a few $$.
I also have a fantastic relationship with my dealer....something not many
others can claim. They are willing to help finding obscure things.
I was not trying to squeeze $6 savings, but I saved much more than that, for
no freight. The price was with tax for my state. And I got them in 2 days
for free. Good deal for me.
Vendors on the list need to stop worrying about it when someone saves a few
bucks. It is not personal. It is as simple as the price here was
competitive, no shipping...........made sense to me in my situation. And
hey...$500 more in parts from the dealer is going to improve my relationship
with them. I have referred quite a few people to Vanagain and bus depot for
parts.................darn straight i used a catalog, which i paid for, for
the part numbers.............why shouldn't I? Are you paying vw licensing
fees for your use of ETKA? If i asked the dealer they would have found the
numbers anyway. Some of these diagrams i have seen on the web on various
sites may or may not be direct pirating of ETKA in the first place! Nuff
said. Silly argument to bring up in the first place. Internet is public
domain, and the catalog i paid for is for me to do whatever i want with.
And as to it, it probably took Kenn more time to type that email than the
profit he would have made for the order. Since i posted, only one person
has asked for the dealer info. I do not think it is costing ANYONE any
business. And, I use Vanagain for parts from time to time cause they
generally know what i am talking about. That is your niche. Not that your
outfit is the only place to get parts.............there are literally dozens
of places. I did not buy a lesser quality part like EMPI for my vw
hoses..........I bought the same parts straight from the source. Forgive me
for not using a middleman, and getting free freight. Same could be said of
all the other little things i bought from the dealer. i got the part
number from a catalog, etc., and stop in. No one is getting screwed
here...except me for being categorized as a cheat and a liar. Better to
make those accusations in person..they would not fly face to face between
any of us. You have my number and could have called me if you were so
upset. Why didn't you? The same reason most customers vent on the
list.............they just don't do it, and the internet is a faceless way
to say something about a person that you would never say face to face.
Hard feelings were never intended.nor did i ever intend to be "black listed"
from list vendors............
Adam P
Charleston,SC Coburn, WV
81 Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
1974 412 "Goldmember"
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Wilford" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] 2.1 hose price deal (this upsets me!)
> I am upset by this post for the following reasons:
> 1. Adam and I (I thought) had a good relationship going. He has asked
> for pricing on this kit from me a few times over the last six months and
> we have talked via email. Every time he promised that when it came time
> to buy these he would get them from me.
>
> 2. I am sure that without Van-Again or Bus Depot or Bus Boys coolant
> hose chart getting all of the proper hoses for your van from the dealer
> would be next to impossible. Even if you have the ETKA it is not easy
> to understand and there are variations from year to year. So you used
> our info to buy the hoses somewhere else. Not nice.
>
> 3. You are telling folks that you got such a great deal on these hoses
> from the VW dealer. First of all most VW dealers that you asked for a
> discount would tell you to have a nice day. Yours gives you probably
> 20% discount because you are doing a lot of purchases with them. Mine
> gives this to me and also delivers for me because I spent at least a
> couple thousand with them a month. But most dealers would not do this
> for someone who was not a business or who didn't spend good amounts of
> money with them every month. So it wouldn't work for most folks.
>
> 4. You got such a good deal. $521 for this set of hoses. If you lied
> to the dealer and told them they were for resale and gave them a tax id
> number then you didn't pay sales tax. However most people would have to
> pay sales tax. That would come to $26.05 in South Carolina (5% sales
> tax). So your total from the dealer would be $547.05 if you were
> honest. I sell these hoses in a kit for $569 for your 88 Wolfsburg.
> You would have the List discount of 5% on this order. So that would
> change the price of the kit to $540.55. Shipping from me would be $10.
> There is no sales tax since I am in NJ and you are in SC. Your total
> from me would be $550.55. So you actually saved (if you were honest)
> $6.50!
>
> Wow what a savings! Wasn't it worth going back on your promises for and
> using other folks information without paying for it by supporting them
> financially? Especially folks who have been there for you in the past.
> Go team!
>
> 5. Getting Vanagon parts from your local VW dealer in 2 days is not the
> norm. I have a great dealer but it can take him from 2 days (the
> absolute fastest) to two weeks to get me things that I order. And again
> he actually likes me and wants to do business with me (not the norm for
> most VW dealers out there). I have these hoses on the shelf and ready
> to go at all times. If you needed them I could overnight them if you
> were in a bind.
>
> In conclusion I just want to say thanks to those folks out there who
> have supported myself and the other list vendors down through the years.
> You are the reason why we are still here. If folks want to shave a
> couple of dollars off here and there go for it. Just don't expect me to
> think it is a great deal when it really isn't.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Wilford
> John 3:16
> http://www.vanagain.com
> http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
> http://www.eurovan.org
> http://www.vwcabrio.org
> Phone: (856)-327-4936
> Fax: (856)-327-2242
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Vanagon Man
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:04 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: 2.1 hose price deal
>
>
> before anyone sets down the satchel to buy a hose kit, if you have a
> good dealer, call him and ask him to be competitive. I have developed a
> relationship with my parts dealer at VW, and he is selling me all the
> hoses and the AT cooler hose for $521. and no shipping cost, he will
> have it in 2 days. If you are ready to buy, pmail me and I will give you
> his number, he will do mail order, but you will have to pay freight.
>
>
> Not too bad in my opinion.
>
> Adam P
> Charleston,SC Coburn, WV
> 81 Westy "The Brick "
> 70 Single Cab "Whitey"
> 74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
> 73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
> 1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
> 1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
> 1974 412 "Goldmember"
> Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
>
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