Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:05:56 -0400
Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: FW: 2.1 hose price deal ...move on!!!!No offenses were meant!
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Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
http://www.vanagain.com
http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
http://www.eurovan.org
http://www.vwcabrio.org
Phone: (856)-327-4936
Fax: (856)-327-2242
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Wilford [mailto:kenwilfy@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:05 PM
To: 'Vanagon Man'
Subject: RE: 2.1 hose price deal ...move on!!!!No offenses were meant!
I don't see why you should be able to publicly post wrong information
and not expect someone to respond to it in a public way. If you had
just gotten the hoses from the dealer and not posted about it to the
list as some type of price coup then I would not be upset, and we
wouldn't be having this conversation. If we were here face to face I
would tell you the same thing because that is who I am. Are we ready to
never talk to each other again or have some type of flame war/fight?
I'm not. I just wanted to show the other folks and you in a public way
why your "deal" (you said it not me) was not such a deal.
PS if you read my post you would know that I included shipping in the
quote. So you really only did save $6!
Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
http://www.vanagain.com
http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
http://www.eurovan.org
http://www.vwcabrio.org
Phone: (856)-327-4936
Fax: (856)-327-2242
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of Vanagon Man
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:28 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 2.1 hose price deal ...move on!!!!No offenses were meant!
No promises were made or given..I just kept saving until it is time to
install my new motor. No order was in with vanagain. i have had and
will continue to have a good relationship with list vendors. kenn is
great, and i have bought many things. I also left a message with
Vanagin a few weeks back for an AFM, and no return call was made, so i
bought it else where. Do I feel bad? Not really, although i would have
preferred to give Vaanagain the business for the AFM, and I would have
saved a few $$.
I also have a fantastic relationship with my dealer....something not
many others can claim. They are willing to help finding obscure things.
I was not trying to squeeze $6 savings, but I saved much more than that,
for no freight. The price was with tax for my state. And I got them in
2 days for free. Good deal for me.
Vendors on the list need to stop worrying about it when someone saves a
few bucks. It is not personal. It is as simple as the price here was
competitive, no shipping...........made sense to me in my situation.
And hey...$500 more in parts from the dealer is going to improve my
relationship with them. I have referred quite a few people to Vanagain
and bus depot for parts.................darn straight i used a catalog,
which i paid for, for the part numbers.............why shouldn't I? Are
you paying vw licensing fees for your use of ETKA? If i asked the dealer
they would have found the numbers anyway. Some of these diagrams i have
seen on the web on various sites may or may not be direct pirating of
ETKA in the first place! Nuff said. Silly argument to bring up in the
first place. Internet is public domain, and the catalog i paid for is
for me to do whatever i want with.
And as to it, it probably took Kenn more time to type that email than
the profit he would have made for the order. Since i posted, only one
person has asked for the dealer info. I do not think it is costing
ANYONE any business. And, I use Vanagain for parts from time to time
cause they generally know what i am talking about. That is your niche.
Not that your outfit is the only place to get parts.............there
are literally dozens
of places. I did not buy a lesser quality part like EMPI for my vw
hoses..........I bought the same parts straight from the source. Forgive
me for not using a middleman, and getting free freight. Same could be
said of
all the other little things i bought from the dealer. i got the part
number from a catalog, etc., and stop in. No one is getting screwed
here...except me for being categorized as a cheat and a liar. Better to
make those accusations in person..they would not fly face to face
between any of us. You have my number and could have called me if you
were so upset. Why didn't you? The same reason most customers vent on
the list.............they just don't do it, and the internet is a
faceless way to say something about a person that you would never say
face to face.
Hard feelings were never intended.nor did i ever intend to be "black
listed" from list vendors............
Adam P
Charleston,SC Coburn, WV
81 Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
1974 412 "Goldmember"
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Wilford" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] 2.1 hose price deal (this upsets me!)
> I am upset by this post for the following reasons:
> 1. Adam and I (I thought) had a good relationship going. He has asked
> for pricing on this kit from me a few times over the last six months
> and we have talked via email. Every time he promised that when it
> came time to buy these he would get them from me.
>
> 2. I am sure that without Van-Again or Bus Depot or Bus Boys coolant
> hose chart getting all of the proper hoses for your van from the
> dealer would be next to impossible. Even if you have the ETKA it is
> not easy to understand and there are variations from year to year. So
> you used our info to buy the hoses somewhere else. Not nice.
>
> 3. You are telling folks that you got such a great deal on these hoses
> from the VW dealer. First of all most VW dealers that you asked for a
> discount would tell you to have a nice day. Yours gives you probably
> 20% discount because you are doing a lot of purchases with them. Mine
> gives this to me and also delivers for me because I spent at least a
> couple thousand with them a month. But most dealers would not do this
> for someone who was not a business or who didn't spend good amounts of
> money with them every month. So it wouldn't work for most folks.
>
> 4. You got such a good deal. $521 for this set of hoses. If you lied
> to the dealer and told them they were for resale and gave them a tax
> id number then you didn't pay sales tax. However most people would
> have to pay sales tax. That would come to $26.05 in South Carolina
> (5% sales tax). So your total from the dealer would be $547.05 if you
> were honest. I sell these hoses in a kit for $569 for your 88
> Wolfsburg. You would have the List discount of 5% on this order. So
> that would change the price of the kit to $540.55. Shipping from me
> would be $10. There is no sales tax since I am in NJ and you are in
> SC. Your total from me would be $550.55. So you actually saved (if
> you were honest) $6.50!
>
> Wow what a savings! Wasn't it worth going back on your promises for
> and using other folks information without paying for it by supporting
> them financially? Especially folks who have been there for you in the
> past. Go team!
>
> 5. Getting Vanagon parts from your local VW dealer in 2 days is not
> the norm. I have a great dealer but it can take him from 2 days (the
> absolute fastest) to two weeks to get me things that I order. And
> again he actually likes me and wants to do business with me (not the
> norm for most VW dealers out there). I have these hoses on the shelf
> and ready to go at all times. If you needed them I could overnight
> them if you were in a bind.
>
> In conclusion I just want to say thanks to those folks out there who
> have supported myself and the other list vendors down through the
> years. You are the reason why we are still here. If folks want to
> shave a couple of dollars off here and there go for it. Just don't
> expect me to think it is a great deal when it really isn't.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Wilford
> John 3:16
> http://www.vanagain.com
> http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
> http://www.eurovan.org
> http://www.vwcabrio.org
> Phone: (856)-327-4936
> Fax: (856)-327-2242
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of Vanagon Man
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:04 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: 2.1 hose price deal
>
>
> before anyone sets down the satchel to buy a hose kit, if you have a
> good dealer, call him and ask him to be competitive. I have developed
> a relationship with my parts dealer at VW, and he is selling me all
> the hoses and the AT cooler hose for $521. and no shipping cost, he
> will have it in 2 days. If you are ready to buy, pmail me and I will
> give you his number, he will do mail order, but you will have to pay
> freight.
>
>
> Not too bad in my opinion.
>
> Adam P
> Charleston,SC Coburn, WV
> 81 Westy "The Brick "
> 70 Single Cab "Whitey"
> 74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
> 73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
> 1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
> 1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
> 1974 412 "Goldmember"
> Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
>
