Date:         Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:05:18 -0400
Reply-To:     Vanagon Man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
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From:         Vanagon Man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Subject:      Re: 2.1 hose price deal(NVC)Kill this thread
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Kenn and i have long ago kissed and made up.  Please just let it
die...............

Adam P
Charleston,SC     Coburn, WV
81  Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
1974 412 "Goldmember"
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Tuovinen" <mst@AK.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] 2.1 hose price deal(NVC)


> RE: "with a retail price of $34,000.00 and with financing after rebates
etc it's still hovering in at 34K. What a rip off."
>
> Stan, are you saying that his total cost including finance charges is
$34,000.00? If so that is the cost of the loan, and has little to do with
what the purchase price is. Assuming that he agreed to a purchase price of
$34,000.00 and then applied whatever rebates were available to that, say
$4,000.00 for the sake of discussion, his balance would would be $30,000.00.
A buyer that finances that much can easily spend more then the original
purchase price of $34,000.00 once you add in the interest charges. Thats the
cost of the loan, and does not mean the dealer ripped him off. What was the
interest rate? How long is the loan for? Did he trade in a vehicle, and if
so, did he owe more on it then it was worth? Is the dealer doing its own
financing, using Ford Motor Credit, or a local bank? There are unscrupulous
people in the automobile industry, but the same is true for all industries.
Having all the facts about your sons purchase will tell whether or not he
was "ripped off".
>
> Mark in AK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:54 am
> Subject: Re: 2.1 hose price deal
>
> > I can't name the news sources but I've heard that both Ford and GM
> > makeabout $10,000.00 on every full sized pickup or full sized SUV
> > they build.
> > That doesn't include what the dealer makes when they pay you a
> > $2000.00rebate just to take one off the lot.
> > This discussion can get really nasty since most Car Dealers take
> > advantageof every body that comes through their doors with the
> > exception of a few
> > fleet buyers. My son has a F-150 Crewcab with a retail price of
> > $34,000.00and with financing after rebates etc it's still hovering
> > in at 34K. What a
> > rip off.
> >
> > Stan Wilder
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norm - RoweBoat" <norm@ROWEBOAT.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: 2.1 hose price deal
> >
> >
> > Some items in grocery stores are marked up at a higher rate than
> > others.From what I understand (and never having been in the
> > grocery business, I
> > can't speak from first-hand knowledge) the overall profit margin
> > is about 5%
> > and their costs (rent, insurance, wages, advertising, etc.) get
> > covered by
> > that.  Which means high sales volume is critical.
> >
> > Plus, at a car dealership, it isn't the car sales that really
> > makes the
> > money and keeps the place in business.  The Parts Dept. helps
> > some, but the
> > main profit center is the Service Dept.  The Service Dept. is what
> > usuallymakes or breaks a dealership.  And if your dealership acts
> > as a district or
> > regional parts supplier (which we weren't, it was just a small town
> > dealership) and offer some of your commercial customers a 35% discount
> > (keeping 5% for yourself), you're still making a little bit off of the
> > discounted parts and your standard 40% off of the bulk of your
> > parts sales
> > (parts used by the Service Dept. on customers' vehicles and
> > across-the-counter sales) so you're still showing a good profit
> > margin.
> > Norm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Date:    Fri, 23 Apr 2004 22:06:25 -0700
> > From:    Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> > Subject: Re: 2.1 hose price deal NVC
> >
> > That margin is after paying fro rent, insurance, wages,
> > advertising, etc.
> > Not direct, item-by-item mark-up.
> >
> > Karl Wolz
> > >
> > > I used to work in the Parts Dept. at an Olds/Cadillac, GMC Truck
> > dealership.  > Our prices were across the board 60% cost, 40%
> > markup.  So
> > even if we sold  > to someone at a 35% discount, we still had a %5
> > margin.Not much, but most  > grocery stores operate on a 5%
> > average profit margin.
> > >  > Norm
> >
>