Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 15:13:10 -0400
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the roadhouse.
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Mark,
What we need is a definition of the word help. Help- is:
doing for someone witch they can not do for themselves.
Example: holding a 2x4 by 20 ft piece of wood level in place
to be nailed. 20 ft would be difficult at best by one person.
Help- is showing someone how to do something that one
does not know how to do for themselves. Example: explaining
things here on this list. You have been very help full, as the
part you have retrieved for me I would have not found on
my own. I have returned the favor to many others with parts
I have had, and shipped to them.
Help is not doing for someone, when they can do for themselves.
Help is not spending your funds, when they have there own funds. This
I take a little bit further and say if you have blown you money, and I
have saved mine, give them money is usesless. They must learn,
to save for rainy days. "You danced to the music
now pay the piper". Anyone ever hear this?
Eric
mark drillock wrote:
>I have helped a lot of Vanagon owners over the years, with my time and
>sometimes free parts I did not really much need anyway. I guess I wasted
>my efforts as none were homeless as far as I know. I even bought some
>parts at a junkyard for ERIC ZENO and sent them to him as he could not
>find them in his locale. I neglected to ask him his financial status
>before I helped him. Can any of you complainers give me a sure fire
>method of determining who qualifies for help based on financial
>hardship? I have been doing it wrong for years it seems, often times
>just helping people when I could and not first asking for a financial
>statement.
>
>I have met and camped with Larry Chase a few times. I find him to be
>humble, generous, and kind. He very recently gave me a NEW $100 part
>that would not fit his Syncro as the VW parts guy ordered the wrong one
>and Larry could not return it by the time the error was discovered. It
>is a Syncro only part and only on non-AC models and Larry could never
>find anyone who really needed it. I have a couple of models it fits and
>though I have never seen a bad one of this version I am happy to have it
>instead of someone who could never need it.
>
>I always thought helping each other was why we had this list. Lately I
>wonder why I am still here.
>
>Mark
>
>Tom Miller wrote:
>
>
>>I have to agree with Adam. We are not talking about helping a homeless
>>person here. Do what you want. I will use the money to keep my own van
>>running and to try to keep the tank full ($31.50 per fill up!) of midgrade.
>>TEMiller
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Vanagon Man" <vgonman@MSN.COM>
>>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:22 AM
>>Subject: Thoughts on the roadhouse.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Well by now a few have sniped at my take on this.
>>>
>>>Ask yourselves this question. How many of you contributing to this great
>>>cause have gone out of their way to help a newbie on the list keep there
>>>$500 car running with a $2000 motor or a $20 donation? Vans that were
>>>rusting into the ground, had head leaks, etc? Wouldn't they be worth or
>>>
>>>
>>our
>>
>>
>>>financial support? They do not have the money for GPS or internet links
>>>
>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>their vans, or fancy wheels or High powered engines.............just
>>>
>>>
>>people
>>
>>
>>>trying to get by and keep their car on the road.........NOT joyride around
>>>the US. Believe it or not, I have helped people on Sunday afternoon the
>>>dealer referred to me to get their vanagons back on the highway. Did I
>>>
>>>
>>make
>>
>>
>>>money? Yes, but also i had given untold bits of advice via pmails and
>>>postings over the past several years.
>>>
>>>When I decided to upgrade my stereo to MP3 did i ask for handouts? No, I
>>>sold my old radio and didn't go out to eat with the family for 2 weeks. I
>>>made it just fine.
>>>
>>>When my van broke down in Rock Hill 2 weeks ago did i instantly fire up my
>>>mobile internet link and ask for money for my new alternator? NO. I
>>>
>>>
>>walked
>>
>>
>>>to advance and bought one and installed it with my own tools that i always
>>>bring on road trips. I didn't need to have it towed to a mechanic.
>>>
>>>Now granted, it would be cool to joyride around the US. But don't ask for
>>>handouts. Sell some of your toys. That's what those of us in the real
>>>world have to do when times get tough................draw money out of
>>>savings, etc. With all that has been done to this vehicle, I seriously
>>>doubt its owner is broke.
>>>
>>>Adam P
>>>Charleston,SC Coburn, WV
>>>
>>>
>>>
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