Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:07:03 -0400
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From: tmiller <tmiller@VCMAILS.COM>
Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning
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We aren't talking about using much new veg. oil, only recycled oils and
animal fats.
Jim Felder wrote:
> If I remember correctly, the amount of vegetable protein required to
> produce a pound of animal protein is about 8-1. I know this doesn't
> proves anything, just, er, food for thought. Theoretically, a purely
> fish/seafood/vegetarian diet would allow a lot of acreage to be put
> into oil production, but it wouldn't be 8-1 because of the increased
> amount of vegetable protein we humans would consume to offset the loss
> of animal protein.
>
> Jim
>
> On May 12, 2004, at 6:40 PM, Donald Baxter / Iowa City, Iowa wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... Just what we need more food diverted to something other than
>> feeding
>> people. I have to preface this by saying I'm no pure vegetarian here
>> so I'm
>> just as much a part of the problem as anyone else, but we're diverting
>> enough protein for the production of livestock--then we divert more of
>> it to
>> biodiesel and I think we're further and further away from a sustainable
>> fuel.
>>
>> And NOX and particulate matter, from what I've read, are not addressed
>> by
>> switching from mineral diesel fuels to vegetable diesels. The new
>> TDIs are
>> amazing engineering feats to be sure--and I think they have catalytic
>> converters just like the old VW EcoDiesels, but if the USA ever adopts
>> these
>> things on the scale that Europe has, we'll be cleaning soot off our
>> windowsills just like the Parisians do.
>>
>> If any can send me something to read that can convince me otherwise
>> send it
>> on!
>>
>> Donald Baxter
>> '85 Vanagon GL (that I'm sure is just as filthy as it can be but Iowa
>> isn't
>> testing emissions yet)
>> Iowa City
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "P. Stanhope" <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning
>>
>>
>>> WORD! yes Bio-diesel burns alot cleaner than
>>> synthetic diesel. If we could convince all our
>>> shipping companys to use bio-diesel, there would be
>>> alot less soot everywhere and alot more truck drivers
>>> living to the age of 60.
>>> With all the surplus corn and peanuts we produce, we
>>> should be able to power ALL diesels off of
>>> bio-diesel...and simultaniously taking the profit$
>>> away from the Saudis....talk about patriotism!
>>>
>>> Phil
>>
>>
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