Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:35:27 -0500
Reply-To: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
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From: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning
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Well, the recycled oil has to come from somewhere.
Jim
On May 12, 2004, at 8:07 PM, tmiller wrote:
> We aren't talking about using much new veg. oil, only recycled oils
> and animal fats.
>
> Jim Felder wrote:
>
>> If I remember correctly, the amount of vegetable protein required to
>> produce a pound of animal protein is about 8-1. I know this doesn't
>> proves anything, just, er, food for thought. Theoretically, a purely
>> fish/seafood/vegetarian diet would allow a lot of acreage to be put
>> into oil production, but it wouldn't be 8-1 because of the increased
>> amount of vegetable protein we humans would consume to offset the loss
>> of animal protein.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On May 12, 2004, at 6:40 PM, Donald Baxter / Iowa City, Iowa wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm... Just what we need more food diverted to something other than
>>> feeding
>>> people. I have to preface this by saying I'm no pure vegetarian here
>>> so I'm
>>> just as much a part of the problem as anyone else, but we're
>>> diverting
>>> enough protein for the production of livestock--then we divert more
>>> of
>>> it to
>>> biodiesel and I think we're further and further away from a
>>> sustainable
>>> fuel.
>>>
>>> And NOX and particulate matter, from what I've read, are not
>>> addressed
>>> by
>>> switching from mineral diesel fuels to vegetable diesels. The new
>>> TDIs are
>>> amazing engineering feats to be sure--and I think they have catalytic
>>> converters just like the old VW EcoDiesels, but if the USA ever
>>> adopts
>>> these
>>> things on the scale that Europe has, we'll be cleaning soot off our
>>> windowsills just like the Parisians do.
>>>
>>> If any can send me something to read that can convince me otherwise
>>> send it
>>> on!
>>>
>>> Donald Baxter
>>> '85 Vanagon GL (that I'm sure is just as filthy as it can be but Iowa
>>> isn't
>>> testing emissions yet)
>>> Iowa City
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "P. Stanhope" <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Diesels on NPR this morning
>>>
>>>
>>>> WORD! yes Bio-diesel burns alot cleaner than
>>>> synthetic diesel. If we could convince all our
>>>> shipping companys to use bio-diesel, there would be
>>>> alot less soot everywhere and alot more truck drivers
>>>> living to the age of 60.
>>>> With all the surplus corn and peanuts we produce, we
>>>> should be able to power ALL diesels off of
>>>> bio-diesel...and simultaniously taking the profit$
>>>> away from the Saudis....talk about patriotism!
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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