Date:         Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:58:06 EDT
Reply-To:     Oxroad@AOL.COM
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeff Oxroad <Oxroad@AOL.COM>
Subject:      I don't like this Re: SA grille for sale.bidding update
Comments: To: vgonman@MSN.COM
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Please understand I don't mean this as a personal attack. I'm sure Adam has
no ill intent with this sale. But auctions on the list bother me. Possibly I am
the only who feels this way. And if so I'll go with the flow. But lets figure
out if we want the list to a place for auctions.

I find auctions a waste of time on the list. My feeling is YES, list
something you have for sale on the list that is of interest to fellow Vanagonites--
AND set a price on the item.

If someone wants to negotiate you down, or even up, let it happen through
P-mail and leave the rest of us out of it. If you want to auction stuff put it on
Ebay or Ken's StricklyVW.  I think an auction site is the best place for an
auction. I mean we're a group of insiders as it were, a group of brothers and
sisters with tips an price breaks on Vanagons and their parts. Don't make your
brothers and sisters turn on eachother in a bidding war.

List it. Price it. And sell it first come first served.

As long as I'm on it,--And this also has nothing to do with this auction--I
prefer items for sale include a price so I don't feel like you're already
trying to take me by setting your price in regard to the number of responses you
get-- or trying to figure out how badly I want it before you tell me a price. An
implied "What are you willing to pay" is insulting to me. If you're selling a
can of Pepsi for a secret price of $18, why are you making me e-mail you to
find out it's priced too high? Lonely? Just tell me what you want for it?
Because I'm not interested for $18--for $1,  maybe I'm looking for just that.

This SA grill auction is over in a day, so I'm not suggesting it in itself is
a problem. But if everyone jumps on selling Vanagon stuff at auction get
ready for lots of bandwidth about current prices, accusations of bid rigging,
spats about who offered what when, disappointment, flames, flame suits, hurt
feelings, snake oil, and leaky heads. Actually you should probably get ready for
leaky heads either way.

Best,
Jeff
83.5 Westfalia
LA,CA




In a message dated 6/3/2004 3:07:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vgonman@MSN.COM
writes:


> Ok folks, I will stop bidding midday Friday (when i come home for a work a
> little while)
>
> High bid current is $200
>
> Adam P
> Charleston,SC     Coburn, WV
>