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Date:         Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:02:57 -0400
Reply-To:     vw4x4@FYI.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject:      Re: Non-Family Hauler / rear lap belts are much more safe than no
              belt - long but read
Comments: To: John Rodgers <jh_rodgers@BELLSOUTH.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <40CF159D.60202@bellsouth.net>
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Seat belts are a real mess these days. My Jetta has a belt that attaches to the door. The piece on the door is a sharp metal blade that aims right at my head. Any impact on the sides would cause this to go right in to me. I had to cut this off. Some real brain dead person let this is a car? A friend has a big Olds. The seatbelt in it is also attached to the door. It rubs across your neck and chin, no matter how big you are. In any collision this might stop your head and neck,,,,,..... or just break your neck. He no longer weres the seat belts. Seat belts need to be fitted to the size of the person and there seating position. Eric

John Rodgers wrote:

> Sam Walters wrote: > >> >> Then this morning we have John Rodgers story which is supposed to >> support the statement, "Lap belts are a safety illusion!!!!! Damn >> dangerous!! Only good for keeping the dead or broken body frm being >> flung from the vehicle making recovery easier. There is no >> alternative to a three point restraining system used properly." >> >> John's story actually supports the opposite conclusion as the young >> woman lived but most likely would have died if she had been flung >> from the vehicle. All that kept her in was the lap belt. The problem >> in that situation was the rollover issue that plagues most SUV's and >> the improper use of the belt. >> >> >> > Sam, maybe I didn't make it clear .... my girl was thrown completely out > of the car. She was wearing the three point restraint as a lap belt, > instead of wearing it correctly.. The other girl was strapped into the > vehicle by her three-point restraint, which kept her securely in her > seat throughout the rollover. Of course her arms, legs, neck and head > were flailing about, and she suffered a neck strain among a few other > things. My girl was thrown completely out of the vehicle inspite of a > "lap belt" and she landed in the ditch, where-upon the vehicle rolled > over on top of her. Only being in the depression of the ditch saved her > from being crushed. > > My feeling is that "No" seatbelt arrangement is satisfactory if it is > not a three=point restraining system and worn correctly. In my mind, > it's not a matter of no belts or just a seat belt. For me, the three > point belt is going to be there, period. If not, the seat is simply not > occupied by humans. > > Regards, > > John Rodgers > 88 GL Driver > >


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