Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:16:44 -0500
Reply-To: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: My Last Words On Brake Lines
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Eric,
I'm sorry that you feel that brake work can be taken lightly.
First, you are assuming that I don't have the proper skills (you said, "Just
because you don't have the proper skills...". Exactly hat do you know about
my background, training (both hands-on and in trade school), and experience
in the automotive and motorcycle repair industry?
If you read my posts carefully, you would have seen that I acknowledged
Matthews level of skill and knowledge. In fact, I wrote, "Matthew, please
don't take this as a flame or a slam. You are a great list member with good
mechanical skills. I have a great deal of respect for you."
In his original post, it sounded to me like Matthew was uncertain about his
ability to make the brake lines. In his words, "Can i make this (the brake
lines) myself...". That gave me the impression that this is a specialized
area of automotive repair with which Matthew is not familiar. I think that
my initial assessment was fair.
Eric, you yourself stated, "that most people are clueless at to what your
are after." I'd say that backs up my arguments pretty well. Most people are
clueless in this area.
Incidentally, since this thread started, Matthew and I have exchanged
pleasant (which is more than I can say for yours) e-mails and discussed the
issue. Once again, I acknowledge Matthews ability and willingness to work
with his hands. I was just concerned that he may know all there is to know
to make brake lines. After our off-line exchange, I am more confident.
I'll leave with this thought: How many of you would feel comfortable driving
down the freeway knowing that every driver of every car on the road had made
their own brake lines? I sure wouldn't. Some are qualified - yes. However,
from what little Matthew wrote in his initial post, I wasn't sure if he
understood all that was involved.
That is all for me on this thread. By the way, it is very disconcerting that
when I attempt to help the Vanagon community with cautions about safety you
refer to my comments as "insulting" and "a good joke." I hope that everyone
on this list takes safety very seriously.
Sincerely,
Bruce
motorbruce
motorbruce@hotmail.com
>From: vw4x4@fyi.net
>To: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@hotmail.com>
>CC: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM, mpteleski@YAHOO.COM
>Subject: Re: Brake Lines - DON'T DO IT!
>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:45:27 -0400
>
>"trusted professional"
>
>Bruce,
>If everyone had an attitude like this nothing would
>ever get done. Just because you don't have the proper skills
>don't assume everyone else does not have them ether.
>Your comments are nothing less than insaulting.
> Here in Pgh you just made nothing but a good joke .
>I've worked with "trusted professional" and most just jam the
>work off to a unskilled kid in highschool, that is clueless. There is no
>one that will do the job better than the owner.
> Do it right and do it yourself.
>
> Eric
> .
>
>
>
>Bruce Nadig wrote:
>
>>
>>Matthew,
>>
>>Eric backs up my case against doing it yourself.
>>
>>He wrote, "be warmed, that most people are clueless at to what your are
>>after. They will try to sell you some type of double flare."
>>
>>I just think that making your own brake lines is a bad, bad idea. Leave it
>>to a trusted professional and sleep well at night.
>>
>>I think everyone knows where I stand on this issue. There is just too much
>>at stake.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Bruce
>>motorbruce
>>motorbruce@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
>>>Reply-To: vw4x4@FYI.NET
>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>Subject: Re: [vanagon] brake lines??
>>>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:48:52 -0400
>>>
>>>The brake lines can be purchases at any autoparts, but be warmed,
>>>that most people are clueless at to hwat your are after. They
>>>will try to sell you some type of double flare. I've also seen
>>>these refered to as I.S.O. What ever this means....
>>> ERic
>>>
>>>Matthew wrote:
>>>
>>>>gooogle for bubble flare tool and you get a zillion
>>>>hits.
>>>>
>>>>where do you get the line? napa? what about the nuts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- VW4X4@FYI.NET wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thess are easily made up. As you may know it
>>>>>requires
>>>>>a special Bubble flare tool, not to be confused
>>>>>with
>>>>>a double flare. These are use mostly or foreign
>>>>>cars.
>>>>>I'm looking for new tool for this right now. If
>>>>>you
>>>>>find a good quality tool at a reasonable price let
>>>>>me know.
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>Matthew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>i have a busted brake line. can i make this myself
>>>>>>(i'll buy the special tool) or am i stuck with the
>>>>>>dealer?
>>>>>>thanks
>>>>>>matthew
>>>>>>
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>>>>University of Idaho
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