Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:41:49 -0500
Reply-To: John Rodgers <jh_rodgers@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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From: John Rodgers <jh_rodgers@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
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Simplest of all......!!
One shipping pallet, 6 -2X4 wood blocks, steel strap.
Put the blocks on the pallet, the tranny on the blocks , then band all
three together with the steel strap.
Ain't nothin' goin' nowhere!!
Regards,
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Jeff at Vanagonparts wrote:
>Wow, this is getting complicated...
>
>It seems to me, that it would be far easier, and cheaper, to go down to your
>local hardware store, buy some 1x4's, make a small crate, and use some
>plumbers tape to hold the tranny in place. Palletize if necessary.
>
>This is the way we ship automatic transmissions and engines all over the
>USA. Haven't had a problem yet.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jeff
>www.vanagonparts.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
>Of John Harvey
>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:46 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
>
>
>Recently I worked with some two part expanding foam.
>It's pretty cool stuff.
>http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=79&
>
>In my experience the aerosol-canned stuff you buy at
>the hardware store doesn't expand as much and takes a
>full day to cure. The two part Tap product is rigid
>in a few minutes.
>
>Here's an example of the extruded rigid foam
>insulation John mentioned.
>http://www.owenscorning.com/around/insulation/products/foamular.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- John Rodgers <jh_rodgers@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I just had an e-chat with Sam Walters, and to answer
>>the question "where
>>do you get it" here is my response:
>>
>>""Check with insulation installers. This stuff is
>>often used to insulate
>>commercial refrigeration units. Also, anyone making
>>commerical or
>>business furniature. They even make a "Furniture
>>grade" foam with a very
>>high density to form seat bottoms and seat backs.
>>Tough stuff!! One
>>thing, it prol'ly would be a good thing to get a
>>spray can of Polyease
>>2000 (see the Polytek web address further down the
>>page) and give "The
>>Object" a light coat before putting in the foam. The
>>foam adheres like
>>crazy and if any gets out of the plastic onto "The
>>Object", it may be
>>hard to pull the packing off, and if you do, there
>>will be residue left
>>that is a pain to remove.
>>
>>As far as the canned stuff goes, don't know how that
>>would work. I have
>>used that in old cars to plug holes in the
>>wheelwells where dust was
>>boiling into the interior of the vehicles. Jeep
>>products in Alaska were
>>the worst!! ""
>>
>>Also, to answer Greg Potts query, "What if the box
>>needs inspecting ...
>>say crossing national borders ...... When you make
>>upt the insulation
>>the way I did, the expanding foam creates a top and
>>bottom monolith of
>>foam. When the box is opened, if all went well, the
>>form fitting foam
>>packaging in between the plastic layers should slide
>>right out of the
>>box, and the top piece of foam is easiliy lifter off
>>as one would lift a
>>lid on a pot. And it should go right back over "the
>>object" just as
>>easily and slip right back into the box.
>>
>>Other sources form materials - check with your
>>lumber yard. Often
>>building supply houses carry extrusions that are
>>made from the foam and
>>you can ask them about their sources. Give them a
>>call. I have found
>>most times that companies are willing to tell you
>>stuff as long as you
>>are not competeing with them, and if you are foaming
>>a transmission in a
>>box, I hardly think that qualifies as competition.
>>
>>There are also companies that make foam home decor
>>pieces as well. These
>>places may supply with the info you seek.
>>
>>If all else fails, get on the internet and go to
>>http://www.polytek.com/
>>and check out what they might have from you.
>>
>>Good luck.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>John Rodgers
>>88 GL driver
>>
>>John Rodgers wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Daryl,
>>>
>>>I have had to ship large heavy objects and I have
>>>
>>>
>>found a way that works
>>
>>
>>>good for me.
>>>
>>>I use expanding foam for my packing material. When
>>>
>>>
>>I have something to
>>
>>
>>>ship that is heavy, I get some plastic sheet from
>>>
>>>
>>the local dry cleaners
>>
>>
>>>... the kind they put over clothes, and I buy some
>>>
>>>
>>of that two-part
>>
>>
>>>expanding foam. I sit a piece or two of 2x4 on the
>>>
>>>
>>bottom of the box,
>>
>>
>>>then lay in a sheet of the plastic so it covers
>>>
>>>
>>the bottom and the 2x4
>>
>>
>>>and comes up and drapes over the sides. I et
>>>
>>>
>>everything positioned, then
>>
>>
>>>I mix some of the two part foam, and pour it into
>>>
>>>
>>the bottom of the box
>>
>>
>>>and spread it around. I immediately place the
>>>
>>>
>>seconde sheet of plastic
>>
>>
>>>over the foam, and that is followed by mmediately
>>>
>>>
>>placing the object to
>>
>>
>>>be shipped on top of the whole thing, resting on
>>>
>>>
>>the 2x4. The foam
>>
>>
>>>expands, forming to the bottom of the "Object" and
>>>
>>>
>>creates a custom
>>
>>
>>>support and packing form.
>>>
>>>Next, I lay a piece of plastic sheet over the
>>>
>>>
>>"Object" resting in the
>>
>>
>>>box, mix the two-part foam, pour it in, and then
>>>
>>>
>>cover it all with a
>>
>>
>>>sheet of plastic. I close the box lid and put a
>>>
>>>
>>weight on it, or I put a
>>
>>
>>>box size piece of plywood over it with a weight on
>>>
>>>
>>it. The foam expands
>>
>>
>>>to the limits of the box, then begins to compress
>>>
>>>
>>itself into a denser
>>
>>
>>>foam, giving it more regidity. After a few minutes
>>>
>>>
>>the foam is set, and
>>
>>
>>>I open the box, remove the contents and allow it
>>>
>>>
>>to sit in the open for
>>
>>
>>>a while. The foam produces moisture during the
>>>
>>>
>>chemical reaction, and
>>
>>
>>>the water is what makes the stuff expand. I allow
>>>
>>>
>>it to dry, and then
>>
>>
>>>repack.
>>>
>>>This works great. There are bags for the foam one
>>>
>>>
>>can buy, and you do
>>
>>
>>>not have to deal with moisture issue, but I never
>>>
>>>
>>went that far.
>>
>>
>>>Just my way. Works great!! Shipped a lot of stuff
>>>
>>>
>>to and from Alaska
>>
>>
>>>this way, and never experienced a claim.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>John Rodgers
>>>88 GL Driver
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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