Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:26:36 -0700
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From: Jeff at Vanagonparts <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
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No, UPS will not ship a pallet, that's why I stated palletize as necessary.
If you're shipping an automatic tranny, you're not using UPS due to the
weight. However, UPS will take a wooden crate. A well made wooden crate
will not end up looking like toothpicks. I've shipped a lot of engines and
auto trannies in crates and have yet to have a problem.
That being said, I ship all manual trannies in a double-walled cardboard
box. Haven't had a problem with that method either.
Cheers,
Jeff
www.vanagonparts.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of Daryl Christensen
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:52 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
If you can get UPS to ship a pallet, I would be very surprised. If you want
to pay more, generally you can ship with a trucking company and use a
pallet.
I have seen many a box that had 1x2's for support end up with the wood
looking more like toothpicks.
As far as convenience and cost, I use UPS almost exclusively and have had
good luck with my bubble wrap in cardboard box arrangement. Easy, but will
look into the foam stuff to see how cost effective it is. Daryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff at Vanagonparts" <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
> Wow, this is getting complicated...
>
> It seems to me, that it would be far easier, and cheaper, to go down to
> your
> local hardware store, buy some 1x4's, make a small crate, and use some
> plumbers tape to hold the tranny in place. Palletize if necessary.
>
> This is the way we ship automatic transmissions and engines all over the
> USA. Haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
> www.vanagonparts.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of John Harvey
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Shipping a transmission
>
>
> Recently I worked with some two part expanding foam.
> It's pretty cool stuff.
> http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=79&
>
> In my experience the aerosol-canned stuff you buy at
> the hardware store doesn't expand as much and takes a
> full day to cure. The two part Tap product is rigid
> in a few minutes.
>
> Here's an example of the extruded rigid foam
> insulation John mentioned.
> http://www.owenscorning.com/around/insulation/products/foamular.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- John Rodgers <jh_rodgers@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
>> I just had an e-chat with Sam Walters, and to answer
>> the question "where
>> do you get it" here is my response:
>>
>> ""Check with insulation installers. This stuff is
>> often used to insulate
>> commercial refrigeration units. Also, anyone making
>> commerical or
>> business furniature. They even make a "Furniture
>> grade" foam with a very
>> high density to form seat bottoms and seat backs.
>> Tough stuff!! One
>> thing, it prol'ly would be a good thing to get a
>> spray can of Polyease
>> 2000 (see the Polytek web address further down the
>> page) and give "The
>> Object" a light coat before putting in the foam. The
>> foam adheres like
>> crazy and if any gets out of the plastic onto "The
>> Object", it may be
>> hard to pull the packing off, and if you do, there
>> will be residue left
>> that is a pain to remove.
>>
>> As far as the canned stuff goes, don't know how that
>> would work. I have
>> used that in old cars to plug holes in the
>> wheelwells where dust was
>> boiling into the interior of the vehicles. Jeep
>> products in Alaska were
>> the worst!! ""
>>
>> Also, to answer Greg Potts query, "What if the box
>> needs inspecting ...
>> say crossing national borders ...... When you make
>> upt the insulation
>> the way I did, the expanding foam creates a top and
>> bottom monolith of
>> foam. When the box is opened, if all went well, the
>> form fitting foam
>> packaging in between the plastic layers should slide
>> right out of the
>> box, and the top piece of foam is easiliy lifter off
>> as one would lift a
>> lid on a pot. And it should go right back over "the
>> object" just as
>> easily and slip right back into the box.
>>
>> Other sources form materials - check with your
>> lumber yard. Often
>> building supply houses carry extrusions that are
>> made from the foam and
>> you can ask them about their sources. Give them a
>> call. I have found
>> most times that companies are willing to tell you
>> stuff as long as you
>> are not competeing with them, and if you are foaming
>> a transmission in a
>> box, I hardly think that qualifies as competition.
>>
>> There are also companies that make foam home decor
>> pieces as well. These
>> places may supply with the info you seek.
>>
>> If all else fails, get on the internet and go to
>> http://www.polytek.com/
>> and check out what they might have from you.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> 88 GL driver
>>
>> John Rodgers wrote:
>>
>> > Daryl,
>> >
>> > I have had to ship large heavy objects and I have
>> found a way that works
>> > good for me.
>> >
>> > I use expanding foam for my packing material. When
>> I have something to
>> > ship that is heavy, I get some plastic sheet from
>> the local dry cleaners
>> > ... the kind they put over clothes, and I buy some
>> of that two-part
>> > expanding foam. I sit a piece or two of 2x4 on the
>> bottom of the box,
>> > then lay in a sheet of the plastic so it covers
>> the bottom and the 2x4
>> > and comes up and drapes over the sides. I et
>> everything positioned, then
>> > I mix some of the two part foam, and pour it into
>> the bottom of the box
>> > and spread it around. I immediately place the
>> seconde sheet of plastic
>> > over the foam, and that is followed by mmediately
>> placing the object to
>> > be shipped on top of the whole thing, resting on
>> the 2x4. The foam
>> > expands, forming to the bottom of the "Object" and
>> creates a custom
>> > support and packing form.
>> >
>> > Next, I lay a piece of plastic sheet over the
>> "Object" resting in the
>> > box, mix the two-part foam, pour it in, and then
>> cover it all with a
>> > sheet of plastic. I close the box lid and put a
>> weight on it, or I put a
>> > box size piece of plywood over it with a weight on
>> it. The foam expands
>> > to the limits of the box, then begins to compress
>> itself into a denser
>> > foam, giving it more regidity. After a few minutes
>> the foam is set, and
>> > I open the box, remove the contents and allow it
>> to sit in the open for
>> > a while. The foam produces moisture during the
>> chemical reaction, and
>> > the water is what makes the stuff expand. I allow
>> it to dry, and then
>> > repack.
>> >
>> > This works great. There are bags for the foam one
>> can buy, and you do
>> > not have to deal with moisture issue, but I never
>> went that far.
>> >
>> > Just my way. Works great!! Shipped a lot of stuff
>> to and from Alaska
>> > this way, and never experienced a claim.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > John Rodgers
>> > 88 GL Driver
>> >
>>
>
>
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