Date:         Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:46:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Joseph Fortino <fortino1@EARTHLINK.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Joseph Fortino <fortino1@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: vanagon crash looked vey ugly
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back in the day HWY17 was blood alley, I grew up driving that alot and as the years passed more
people more traffic and just off camber corners blind corners you name it HWY17 has it still. more
wanted to " live over the hill "

HWY85 was built to get everyone threw to the cities and its a speed fest land with hour glass sections
and no real thought in design. 85 is weak if you ask me

Old Santa Cruz HWY is also built around less traffic then we have today. The guy that built my 66bug in
Santa Clara told me thats a best place to break in a motor, nice cool temps with nice mellow roads, shiite
not in todays world anymore :( instead i broke it in 1996? going to lake berryessa.

I wish i could have a roll cage in my van from front to back :) in Las Vegas we have a road called the 215
thats like twisty and some steep down sections, people motor on it.. but every road here is balls to the wall
last night an SUV break checked me so hard after coming off a 6 percent grade

my thoughts are with the famliy

drive safe

Joe
traffic update.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Aug 10, 2004 3:12 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: vanagon crash looked vey ugly

That's a crappy piece of road to start with. Old construction, narrow lanes,
worn pavement. It's also a nice hike from Aptos to San Fran. Lots of twisty
turny roads (HW17), crazed idjits. I've done it in the vanagon, but it's not
pleasant. I wouldn't want to be doing it tired.

My condolences to the family.

tim in san jose


----- Original Message -----
From: "gary hradek" <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: vanagon crash looked vey ugly


> Stay awake, stay off the phone and stay alive.
> Hope it was not someone from the list.
>     sympathies to the wife, gary
> Newlywed man dies in crash as wife watches
>
> SF COUPLE'S VEHICLES HELD WEDDING GIFTS
>
> By Chuck Carroll
>
> Mercury News
>
>
> A newly married man was killed Monday night in
> Mountain View when he crashed into a tree as his wife
> looked on from a separate vehicle, the highway patrol
> said today.
>
> Both their vehicles were carrying wedding gifts as the
> two headed for their new home in San Francisco after
> dining with relatives in the Santa Cruz County town of
> Aptos, said Officer Christian Oliver.
>
> The 29-year-old man and his 23-year-old wife spoke on
> their cell phones as they drove. The man mentioned he
> was getting sleepy, his wife told police. At about
> 11:10 p.m. -- not long after he hung up -- his wife
> watched as his gold 1985 Volkswagen Vanagon drift to
> the left lane of northbound Highway 85 in Mountain
> View, then swerve to the right and crash into a tree
> south of the El Camino Real ramp.
>
> The man, whose name was being withheld this morning
> until relatives could be notified, was pronounced dead
> at the scene. No one else was injured in the crash.
> Alcohol did not appear to be a factor, Oliver said,
> although that would be routinely investigated.
>
> Oliver said the couple wed last week in Georgia and
> had just returned to California after their honeymoon.
>
>
>
>
>
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