Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:02:44 -0400
Reply-To: Cory Sammons <slagskot@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Cory Sammons <slagskot@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Who Supports The List / The Money Has Already Been Spent
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On 8/13/04 5:06 PM, "Jeffrey Schwaia" <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM> wrote:
> Funny, other than your complaints about VWOA service policies, I never read
> anything about your comments being USA specific.
>
> We all thank you for, as you put it: "making all aware here of the truth ,
> and the facts". Unfortunately, your truth is skewed and your facts are
> opinions.
>
>
> VW failed with the Vanagon?? If I remember correctly, VW sold quite a few
> Vanagons during it's 11 year run in the USA. Does anyone out there have the
> numbers?
>
> Germany does have access to full size vans from several countries, including
> the USA.
>
> Guess what? Just like the US government, the German government charges
> higher import tariffs on vans, trucks and other commercial vehicles.
>
> Guess what? The US was the country who started these protectionist policies
> to protect the domestic truck industry. The other countries had to follow
> suit for competition reasons.
>
>
> As for any shop being willing to work on any made in USA product... Not
> here in Sacramento and not down in San Diego (where I'm originally from). I
> grew up in the auto repair business, and I've managed, owned, and turned
> wrenches in, my share of repair shops and can unequivocally state that a lot
> of shops will not work on a POS vehicle, regardless of country of origin.
>
>
> If you're that unhappy with your Vanagon and are unable find a good mechanic
> or perform your own work, sell it and buy a Chevy. In the long run, you'll
> be happier and we won't have to read your diatribes about how VW and
> Vanagons suck anymore.
>
> Happy Frydaye,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of Robert Cardo
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:25 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Who Supports The List / The Money Has Already Been Spent
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
> If you noticed I was mentioning how VW failed with the Vanagon here in
> the good old USA.
> I never mentioned any foreign country where any made in America product
> wasn't imported or used.
> Please take a moment and scroll through my total posting again to grasp
> the whole thought, not just a portion of it as you forwarded back in
> your message.
> And more than likely this contributes to the immediate problem as I
> mentioned in the note I contributed.
> If Germany had access to full sized Van, products from GM, Ford, and
> Dodge, VW probably wouldn't have had to produce an encore run of
> Vanagon's for the tradesmen over there.
> They wouldn't have cared or wanted any more of the high maintenance
> vehicles. ( nor would they have spent the initial deutschmarks for
> the over priced smaller cargo vans either)
> I am upset VW won't or refuses to service a product they advertised, and
> sold, made a profit on , and then tells the folks that bought them in so
> many words" Your the fool that bought it, too bad, go away"
> This doesn't happen with any made in USA vehicle.
> Any dealer or smaller independent shop, anywhere will accept and will
> work on any made in the USA vehicle regardless of what shape, size,
> model, or year it may be, without an argument, hurt feelings, and duress
> on the person that owns it.
> I'm Apologize you missed some of the immediate thought in my posting.
>
> RC
>
Can we all relax a little
I haven't been on this list all that long so maybe there are some old
grudges I donšt know about
But we're talking about a car here
I love mine
And I have wanted to push it over a cliff several times
There is clearly some dementia we all suffer from that makes us continuously
crawl under and around these things so we can take them somewhere else to
break down
I for one would be somewhat interested in seeing if there are any objective
statistics on some of the performance and repair issues this rant has
covered
But lets drop the "donšt you talk about my momma like that" stuff
PLEASE!
Cory Sammons
84 Westy
99 New Beetle
Gardiner, NY
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