Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:52:04 -0700
Reply-To: Doug in Calif <vanagon@ASTOUND.NET>
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From: Doug in Calif <vanagon@ASTOUND.NET>
Subject: Re: Bears and grey water. Done
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Mark,
There seems continually be less and less for all of us to share and more of
us to share it with as more folks show up to this great nation and onto this
great planet.
If there are still some of those unpopulated frontiers left where you can
simply uncap your drain on your westy sink and spill it on the desert floor
in true
frontiersman fashion, well, enjoy those moments vanagonuts, those freedoms
may not always be around.
Hate hurts the hater so I dont do it. I love a good flame and I feel when it
gets really heated a bit is when the truth and beneficial stuff really comes
out.
We are all a bunch of folks who dig vanagons for one reason or another,
camping, engineering, hauling kids, whatever. Anybody who can appreciate a
vanagon has moved forward in my book by several hundred steps.
I realize I may not be the most eloquent speaker / writer of the group,
(lol, hey, school me!) but most of the time I feel I am writing for some of
those who believe exactly as I do but don't say a word. (I know you guys are
out there!) I try to avoid going to the bottom of the argument food chain
and making it personal or strutting around like a barn yard rooster with my
chest out telling everybody how much I can bench press etc.
I do like the exchange and I have a pretty good stomach for it, sorry to
some of you who do not.
In all of this talk recently I cannot help but to think about what this
country was like 200 years ago and how WE ALL have pushed our way onto,
into, in, on, and around, this nation and taken it from who and what was
here, setting up OUR RULES as we go. "Might" (and population) made "right"
it would seem?
How can we justify that?
I know we need laws and rules but WHO really decides what is right or wrong?
and by what authority?
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Edwards" <bhs73@SPYMAC.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Bears and grey water. Done
> I thank all those who weighed in on the grey water thing. Glad to know I
> am not doing anything illegal by using a bucket in my camping endeavors
> :-)
>
> I love to talk about the bears and the camping, but I also think enough is
> enough.
>
> As usual, Westys present a unique perspective, as they are really tents
> when sitting with the top up, so rules of tent camping have to apply. In
> most bear places, put down the top and store your food inside and all will
> be well. There are campgrounds in Glacier, Yellowstone, and GTNP where I
> assume a Westy would not be allowed to camp, if the top is popped up,
> although I have never taken the time to ask, or look around. Probably be a
> nightmare trying to explain it all to one of those AARP-customer service
> folks who run the campgrounds :-)
>
> FWIW, yes, CA seems to be out of control, and needs to take some serious
> action to control the bears. Just another reason I have no plans to ever
> go there again. Yellowstone and Teton used to have a bear problem bit like
> that as well, although there is more space there to work with bears and
> other animals, so good luck to them. Took a major commitment and mucho
> bucks and effort to get it under control tho. Don't know if Yosemite-ites
> have the stomach for such a thing. I have never had a hankering to see
> Yosemite either. Its been a nightmare ever since I can remember. :-)
>
> I am sorry there is so much anger and hatred between people who have such
> differing agendas. Makes it impossible to get anything done. I understand
> Doug's position, and in my heart, I agree with much of it, but there has
> to be a better way to express it.
>
> A wise man once said "government is not the solution, government is the
> problem" and in nearly every instance I can think of, government screwed
> up just about everything they get involved in. Can't think of a way to
> spin that thought into a vanagon comment tho, so I guess its time to move
> along, as we won't solve that problem here, (or anywhere else for that
> matter <g>)
>
> Mark
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