Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 23:09:55 -0700
Reply-To: Jim Thompson <jim@KARMANNGHIA.COM>
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From: Jim Thompson <jim@KARMANNGHIA.COM>
Subject: Re: Beetle TDI test drive (almost no vanagon content)
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California is tough, but it is my understanding that California only allows
VW to bring in so many *new* TDIs of certain models to sell per model year
due to it's emissions restrictions. This based on what the local dealer
(Ventura) parts manager has said to me, but they could be wrong.
Jim Thompson
84 Westfalia 2.1 "Ole Putt"
oldvolkshome@earthlink.net
jim@karmannghia.com
http://www.oldvolkshome.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff at Vanagonparts" <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beetle TDI test drive (almost no vanagon content)
> Dennis,
>
> "Here in New York we can't get the TDI due to emissions."
>
> Wow, I though Cali was tough. What if you buy a used TDI out of state?
> What if someone who owns a TDI moves to NY?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> Of Dennis Haynes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:33 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Beetle TDI test drive (almost no vanagon content)
>
>
> Yes, new cars cost money. You are looking at a premium for the New
> Beetle and for the TDI. The Golf or Jetta will cost less. Personally, I
> would go a bit more and get the German built Passat. Here in New York we
> can't get the TDI due to emissions. If you are not partial to a VW,
> consider a Hyundai Elantra. We can get them here for ~$14k loaded and
> they do 32 mpg. You can buy a lot of gas for $8k. They also have the 10
> year 100k warranty.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Jeremy Speer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:02 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Beetle TDI test drive (almost no vanagon content)
>
> Folks,
>
> So my wife and i took a 2004 TDI beetle for a test drive yesterday.
> There's a big move looming for us that will almost certainly involve
> commuting, so i'm in the market for a good high fuel milage car, hence
> the TDI test drive. Yes, i've driven a first-gen Prius and i'm
> interested, but there's a full year wait list and the level of
> technology in that car is daunting... it's not something you want to
> drive to Alaska just yet.
>
> The last time i drove a VW diesel it was in college in '82... a
> friend's Rabbit L diesel. Great car, ran and ran and ran on one tank,
> plus it had this nifty James Bond smokescreen effect if you needed to
> confuse a bad guy during a getaway. Well, the new turbo diesels are a
> whole new animal. It does have turbo lag (maybe it's a diesel thing),
> but wind it up a bit and it's got scoot. The car is quite the amalgam:
> engine's made in Poland, transmission (manual 5) is from Argentina,
> balance is assembled in Mexico from parts made all over the place. In
> contrast the Passat is nearly 100% German.
>
> 2004 Beetle GLS TDI (non convertible, no leather), out-the-door price:
> $22,413. I'm sorry, but that seems like an awful lot of money. Granted
> it's less than half what the Touaregs are going for (50 to 54,000), but
> i'm still choking. I'm not getting any dealer installed options... so
> is there wiggle room on that price? Am i now supposed to haggle?
>
> I paid $10,000 for my Westy... and i've probably put $3500 into it
> since.... but i can LIVE in my Westy.
>
> Do i simply need to "get over it, new cars cost money."
>
> Used TDI beetles are very hard to find, suggesting they last and people
> keep them. Jetta wagon TDI's are scarce here in Minnesota.
>
> Anybody care to share some wisdom?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jspeer
> '89 Westy GL, "Mystery Machine"
> '00 Victory Sport Cruiser <-- for sale!
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