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Date:         Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:30:07 -0400
Reply-To:     Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Failed Emissions Check
In-Reply-To:  <b3a1e7ad04082521338b74601@mail.gmail.com>
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Craig,

I'll agree my comment was judgmental. But there's a difference between helping people identify and fix an emissions problem and helping people cheat on their emissions test. I'm all for the former, which I thought was what the list was about. I'm not for the latter. Polluting isn't a victimless crime, and I'm sorry to be on a list used to facilitate it.

Joy

**************************************************************** Joy Hecht and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon

For musings about life and the vanadventures: http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy

****************************************************************:::-----Orig inal Message----- :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf :::Of Craig Oda :::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:33 AM :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check ::: :::Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental. It might make :::people reluctant to share information. I think that people should :::share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let the :::individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing. ::: :::There may be people on the list that don't care about the environment. ::: There may be people that care deeply about the health of the planet. :::There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for low :::emissions vehicles. There may be people that share the same views :::as you on religion, politics, and the environment. However, there are :::people that have different views too. ::: :::I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the :::environment. Let's keep the topic to the vans. ::: :::On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu> :::wrote: :::> Hi all, :::> :::> I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any expense, but :::you :::> know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not simply :::to :::> hassle us. NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the natural :::> environment of which we are one small part - those controls are there :::to :::> protect people and animals and plants, not to make the government feel :::> powerful. :::> :::> I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to travel :::and :::> experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on your :::> emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but pass on :::the :::> harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people? :::> :::> I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt it :::was. :::> :::> Joy :::> :::> **************************************************************** :::> Joy Hecht :::> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon :::> :::> For musings about life and the vanadventures: :::> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy :::> :::> ****************************************************************:::---- :::-Orig :::> inal Message----- :::> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On :::Behalf :::> :::Of Bob Stevens :::> :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM :::> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM :::> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check :::> ::: :::> :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed emissions :::in :::> :::> :::> :::this :::> :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the :::advance to :::> :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back home and :::> :::advance :::> :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12 TIICO) and :::> :::done. :::> ::: :::> :::Bob Stevens :::> ::: :::> :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare :::> :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico :::> ::: :::> ::::::-----Original Message----- :::> ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On :::> :::Behalf :::> ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price :::> ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM :::> ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM :::> ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check :::> :::::: :::> ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has 20,000 :::on a :::> ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years ago. :::This :::> :::time :::> ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to be :::around :::> ::::::900, mine were 1,900. :::> :::::: :::> ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said there :::was :::> ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their emissions :::test :::> ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs to me :::and I :::> ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the van. :::Called :::> ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in. :::> :::::: :::> ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the "NO" to :::be :::> :::high. :::> ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will try :::> :::bamboozle :::> ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he could. :::> :::::: :::> ::::::Thanks :::> ::::::Melvin :::> ::::::83.5 Westy :::>


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