Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:34:54 -0400
Reply-To: Jonathan Farrugia <jfarrugi@UMICH.EDU>
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From: Jonathan Farrugia <jfarrugi@UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
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i agree with mark poor emissions is 9 times out of 10 due to a failed or
failing injection component or engine part. it behooves you in the long
run to fix it. both because it saves your neighbor from breathing your
pollution (do unto others as you would have done unto you) and it improves
your fuel economy and long term engine survival rates.
jonathan
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Mark Tuovinen wrote:
> Craig,
>
> Though I am not wanting this thread to take on alife of it's own, I
must respond to your post. Joy is correct, and her point is important,
and not only for the reasons that she stated.
>
> Volkswagon designed our vans to operate within a specific range of
emissions, and while they will function outside of this range, it usually
is not beneficial to them. Often a vehicle fails an emissions test it is
becuase a part has failed, or is failing. To allow the vehicle to
continue to operate in this state may lead to collateral damage of other
components, including the engine. Yes, there are ways to squeak past an
emissions test, fresh motor oil, a hot engine, better gas, and adjusting
the timing will get many vehicles to pass, but at what cost to the owner.
If your vehicle has a problem and you squeak past your test without
repairing it, you've got your tags, but the problem still exists, and if
it is something that will lead to other parts being damaged you have
saved nothing.
>
> It is better for your van and the environment to find the problem and
fix it than it is to sneak past your test and call it good.
>
>
> Mark in AK
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Oda <craigoda@GMAIL.COM>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:33 pm
> Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
>
> > Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental. It might make
> > people reluctant to share information. I think that people should
> > share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let the
> > individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing.
> >
> > There may be people on the list that don't care about the environment.
> > There may be people that care deeply about the health of the planet.
> > There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for low
> > emissions vehicles. There may be people that share the same views
> > as you on religion, politics, and the environment. However, there are
> > people that have different views too.
> >
> > I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the
> > environment. Let's keep the topic to the vans.
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht
> > <jhecht@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any
> > expense, but you
> > > know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not
> > simply to
> > > hassle us. NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the
> > natural> environment of which we are one small part - those
> > controls are there to
> > > protect people and animals and plants, not to make the
> > government feel
> > > powerful.
> > >
> > > I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to
> > travel and
> > > experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on your
> > > emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but
> > pass on the
> > > harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people?
> > >
> > > I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt
> > it was.
> > >
> > > Joy
> > >
> > > ****************************************************************
> > > Joy Hecht
> > > and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
> > >
> > > For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> > > http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
> > >
> > >
> > ****************************************************************:::-----Orig
> > > inal Message-----
> > > :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> > > :::Of Bob Stevens
> > > :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
> > > :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
> > > :::
> > > :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed
> > emissions in
> > >
> > >
> > > :::this
> > > :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the
> > advance to
> > > :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back
> > home and
> > > :::advance
> > > :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12
> > TIICO) and
> > > :::done.
> > > :::
> > > :::Bob Stevens
> > > :::
> > > :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare
> > > :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico
> > > :::
> > > ::::::-----Original Message-----
> > > ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List [vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> > > :::Behalf
> > > ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price
> > > ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM
> > > ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check
> > > ::::::
> > > ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has
> > 20,000 on a
> > > ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years
> > ago. This
> > > :::time
> > > ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to
> > be around
> > > ::::::900, mine were 1,900.
> > > ::::::
> > > ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said
> > there was
> > > ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their
> > emissions test
> > > ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs
> > to me and I
> > > ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the
> > van. Called
> > > ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in.
> > > ::::::
> > > ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the
> > "NO" to be
> > > :::high.
> > > ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will try
> > > :::bamboozle
> > > ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he
> > could.> ::::::
> > > ::::::Thanks
> > > ::::::Melvin
> > > ::::::83.5 Westy
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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