Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:10:48 -0700
Reply-To: gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: emission ethics
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Donald,
If you live long enough you begin to realize
when it comes to ethics and religion you have made so
many mistakes you could not find it possible to offer
advise on such things. So only the young can do
this.
As I understand it Don you must retard the engine to
reduce nox. CO2 emission may turn out to be more
important than pollution and pollution may be an early
attempt to show us where we are headed. I like to
camp with my westy but hope any and all enjoy their's
in what ever way they can as they are far less co2
emitting than most motor homes. Iowa has corn as
high as an elephants eye which fixes the co2 your
westy emits. So drive it proudly where ever you go.
regards, gary
--- Donald Baxter <onanov@gmail.com> wrote:
> If i were still living in Atlanta, I'd probably have
> to give up the
> Vanagon--it's last test was on the verge of not
> passing. I'd never do
> anything to circumvent the testing though--Atlanta
> has filthy air and
> I don't think i'd be happy contributing to it.
>
> So I live now in Iowa, which has some of the
> cleanest air in the USA,
> and a state that makes most of its electricity using
> coal that makes
> pollution that heads straight to the Northeastern
> United States and
> Ontario and Quebec. It's a no-win situation that
> isn't helped by the
> current "New Source Review" policies of the
> Administration. No
> counties in Iowa currently test for vehicle
> emissions but I don't know
> how long that will continue to be the case. The
> fact is that driving
> it adds to the net effect of pollution even though I
> don't live in a
> place with dirty air.
>
> If there was a sure-fire way to make my Vanagon
> cleaner, though, I'd
> do it and cost wouldn't be much of a factor. I'm
> thinking engine
> conversion at some point. Seems like most of the
> ways to make it
> cleaner with the original engine make it practically
> undriveable. I
> drive with my timing advanced which probably makes
> it dirtier--it's
> the only way i can get a stable idle speed. This
> bothers me, but I
> also realize the effect of buying a new "clean" car
> means that it is
> only clean at the tailpipe. The manufacture of a
> new car creates
> immense waste, both air and solid, that from my
> understanding has more
> effect on the environment than driving my dirty
> Vanagon. Hell, mowing
> my grass probably creates more pollution in a single
> day than my
> Vanagon does in a year.
>
> There are no simple answers except to walk/bike when
> you can, take
> public transportation when you can, drive when you
> have to and combine
> those trips (which will have the residual effect of
> making your
> Vanagons last longer).
>
> Donald Baxter
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:15:49 -0700, gary hradek
> <hradek@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Joy,
> > We need no ethical guidance on this list when
> it
> > comes to emission checks. If you really push
> this
> > issue you would not be on the vanagon list at all
> but
> > you would be on the low polluting eurovan list.
> > There are many reasons people choose to handle a
> > vanagon problem the way they do. We need to take
> > care not to judge them on this action. Two
> hundred
> > dollars may make the difference whether they get
> > enough to eat or not.
> > I for one would like to know if advancing the
> > engine or retarding the engine will decrease NOX?
> > I thought an engine runs hotter when it is
> retarded
> > and thus NOX would be higher? So what do you
> think?
> > regards, gary
> > Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400
> > From: Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------
> Donald Baxter
> 316 Ridgeview Avenue
> University Heights, Iowa 52246
> http://www.mindspring.com/~onanov
>
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