Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:35:07 -0700
Reply-To: Vince S <gipsyflies@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Vince S <gipsyflies@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Disappearing Coolant - Head Lean?
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Opsh!
I misread your post that people were putting down Mobil 1.
- Vince
http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
1989 Vanagon GL Camper
1993 Mazda Miata (for sale)
1996 Land Rover Discovery
2005 Mini Cooper S
-----Original Message-----
From: Vince S [mailto:gipsyflies@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:32 AM
To: 'cmathis@HOUSTON.RR.COM'; 'vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM'
Subject: RE: Disappearing Coolant - Head Lean?
Chuck,
I agree with you my coolant leak though does not appear to be the sensor
and possibly the tank. I was suspectious of the tank as o-ring rarely
fail unless you distrub it. I will not be surprised that it is the tank
getting britle.
I will carefully unscrew the sensor and see.
I did put in 5W30 yesterday. I had in the past used 10W30 but never
anything heavier. My reason is 1) Many high performance vehicles
including my supercharged Mini uses 5W30 synthetic so I don't see why
the Vanagon couldn't unless the bearing tolerances in it is wider. 2) I
read from some good source that heavier weight motor oil is "thicken" by
additives. Since synthetic have very long and strong polymer chain it is
OK to run significantly lower viscosity when the spec calls for heavier
petrolium based.
The Mini's official weight is 5W30 and am quite sure most BMW is the
same too.
Why are people putting down Mobil 1? I have used it for years and it was
one of the first synethic.
- Vince
http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
1989 Vanagon GL Camper
1993 Mazda Miata (for sale)
1996 Land Rover Discovery
2005 Mini Cooper S
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Mathis
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:16 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Disappearing Coolant - Head Lean?
Vince;
Sounds like you are definitely leaking from the sensor area. When I
dealt with that problem the o-ring was intact and very subtle while
the sensor was leaking. If you've got dry contacts it probably is the
o-ring but it could also be a crack in the tank at the threads. I'll
keep my fingers crossed for you.
Are you really running Mobil 1 5W-30 in a WBX or is that a typo?
The WBX usually requires something in the range of a 40-50
weight. I ran Mobil 1 15w-50 for years but recently switched to
Castrol Syntec 5W-50 cause all the FLAPS were out of the heavy
Mobil 1.
Chuck
'85 Wolfsburg Westy - 'Roland the Road Buffalo'
Vince wrote:
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:16:32 -0700
From: Vince S <gipsyflies@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Disappearing Coolant - Head Lean?
I was performing my annual tune up / oil change on my 89 Westy
today. I
started off by checking the oil level but I notice the coolant
filler/reservoir tank is totally empty. What happened? I filled it a
couple of months back when it was just below the Min mark and
now it is
bone dry. My immediate thought of the dreaded inevitable water
boxer
head leak which I have been lucky so far.
I crawled under the engine to see if there is signs of the leak. Sure
enough the left rear header pipe is wet and it is unmistakably
coolant.
Very carefully I visual inspected the head on the driver side and
there
is no sign of coolant residue. Suspecting the water pump I check
that
too and there is also no sign of coolant.
Time to look from above so I open the rear engine hatch. I can see
much
trace of coolant clinging to the outside of coolant expansion tank,
especially what looks to be the seam of the top and bottom halves.
The
plastic expansion tank must developed a leak at the welded seam, I
thought.
I more carefully inspected the tank with better lighting and I notice
the pool of coolant in the dimple at the top of the tank where the
coolant level sensor resides. Without the necessary part to repair it
I
didn't want to disrupt the area. I just wanted to see if the leak is
from within the sensor, or leaking between the sensor and the
tank. I
unplugged the sensor connector and it is bone dry on the contacts
so it
appear the lead is between the sensor and the tank. According to
the
Bentley there is a o-ring. The o-ring must became harden over all
this
years and now does not seal under pressure. Since it is weekend I
decided not to unscrew the sensor in case I need to use the vehicle
during the weekend.
I was relief that it is not the dreaded head gasket leak.
I proceed to a complete tune up including changing the spark
plugs,
distributor rotor, distributor cap, air filter, oil filter and change
the oil with Mobil 1 5W30 synthetic.
I also thoroughly wiped down the ignition wire with soap and water
as
well as every parts I can clean in the engine bay. If there is a
cleanest Vanagon engine bay award I think I stand a good chance
of
winning it.
- Vince
http://gipsyflies.home.comcast.net
1989 Vanagon GL Camper
1993 Mazda Miata
1996 Land Rover Discovery
2005 Mini Cooper S