Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:48:22 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <LPBBJNMLKNNACJHPMHCOGECDDLAA.kgrotz@pop3.craftech.com>
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Vanagon fuel tanks always hold about 1.5 gallons of gas that you can't get
to or drain out the fuel discharge line.
To get this fuel out you need to get the driver side of your van up about
10" high and all fuel will then be in the outlet corner of the tank.
Using a 1/4" fuel line weighted with solder or other weight drop the line
into the tank and wiggle it so it will reach the very back corner of the
tank. Wrap the exposed length of the fuel line with a rag that plugs the gas
filler neck. Using compressed air blow through the rag so it slightly
pressurizes your tank and forces out the remaining fuel in the tank. It just
takes enough pressure to get the gas moving so it can start a siphon. You
may need to move the hose several times to keep it in the fluid.
After you've gotten out all the water / moisture then you can put about two
gallons of gas in with 12 oz of Berrymans B12 and it'll get rid of the
remaining water through your engine. You cal also use a product called HEAT.
Take a good look at what you've gotten out of the tank.
By using pressure to enhance the siphon effect I've gotten a lot of large
crystals of rust, crud or whatever out of my tanks.
If you've been back firing (I suspect you have) take a look at the fuel pump
switch inside your AFM (I've got a picture if you need it). Be sure that the
flapper valve is working properly in your AFM and the fuel switch is
over-riding properly at full rest position.
Stan Wilder
High Performance Ceramic Coatings
www.engineceramics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Kurt Grotz
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:22 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
I will dispense with the self proclamations of stupidity and absolute
embarrassment over my own stupidity - but here is my problem. If I cannot
get a good answer - I am sure never to go 110 miles per hour in Texas.
Last week I sent out an appeal to the list -- HELLLLLLLLP..... remember?
Well there was only one reply - I forget who now in my frustration but he
convinced me to get rid of the filter between tank and pump.
Did that - but a continued supply of water in the system meant continued tow
jobs. I threw in the towel and decided to completely drain the tank and
replace if necessary.
STUPID ME - As I described in the last email - I used the bleeder port -
whatever that "T" thing is with the little screw that is impossible to screw
back in with out dropping it. I thought that would be a safe avenue to pump
out that gas. Hook up a hose, connect pump to spare battery and out comes
the gas.
About 10 minutes in to the process gas start pouring out of the air cleaner
housing. OUCH!!!! Talk about flooded! So to make a long story short I
completely flooded the air-gas-oil all the fluid systems with gasoline. I
thought I got it all out - and presto - the care would not even turn over.
How stupid was I? I finally called my mechanics who confirmed my suspicion.
Total flood.
I took out the plugs and injectors and air filter unit and disconnected the
coil and turned it over to pump out the gas. That sent it out the plug
ports and down through the exhaust as well. I know this because gas came
through the seams. So - no I go from too much water in gas to gas
everywhere. I let it sit 24 hr to dry out, and today tried starting it. it
ran for 15 seconds and that was it. At least it turns over now. Checked
oil - sure enough - gas in there. So I drained oil and put new in it. Of
course it won't start.
Did I ruin the engine? Am I fried? I NEED HELP BAD! I reckon I will have
to send it to my mechanics - if they let me bring it in there.
Any ideas would be appreciated. I will call someone if necessary.
Thanks for your help.
Kurt Grotz
610-565-2530
PS - DO NOT USE THAT BLEEDER/T connection for anything other than real
quick work.
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