Date:         Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:23:00 +0200
Reply-To:     Robin Oomkes <roomkes@ZONNET.NL>
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From:         Robin Oomkes <roomkes@ZONNET.NL>
Subject:      Re: noise reduction
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Eric,

Yes, I'm sure they're vents. There's blue levers, and there's a draft...
What I'm not sure about is the rubber seal. Mine has a normal looking rubber
seal all around the 'inside' of the driver and passenger doors. But there
are two facing holes in the door jamb (aimed roughly at the headlight) and
the leading edge of the door which align when the door is closed. Maybe the
air goes through there?

Robin
'88 Westy Joker TD
'03 R1150GS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Zeno" <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: noise reduction


> Are you sure they are vents?  The newer style looks the same but are
> really fake grills.   If not fake maybe these were replaced, or the
> entire doors have been replaced.
>
>                                                    Eric
>
>
> Alistair Bell wrote:
>
>> Robin,
>>
>> I am stumped! I agree how does the door vent vent of the air can't get
>> pulled out of the front edge?
>>
>> Maybe its time to to some sort of smoke test?
>>
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21-Oct-04, at 9:50 AM, Robin Oomkes wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm. On my '88 European full Westy (with plastic 'double glazing'), I
>>> do
>>> have the additional weather stripping at the leading edge of the
>>> doors, but
>>> I don't have the rear window vents. I do have the door vents though,
>>> that
>>> seem to work just like on older vans.
>>>
>>> My previous '90 Westy (called Atlantic) did have extra vents in the
>>> plastic
>>> rear windows, and there the door vents didn't do much.
>>>
>>> So how do the door vents on my '88 work, if they don't vent to the
>>> front of
>>> the doors?
>>>
>>> Confused,
>>>
>>> Robin
>>> '88 Westy Joker TD
>>> '03 R1150GS
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alistair Bell" <albell@UVIC.CA>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: noise reduction
>>>
>>>
>>>> The additional weather stripping in the later model vanagons "fills"
>>>> in
>>>> the leading edge door gap. The earlier vans used that gap to create
>>>> the
>>>> low pressure are to draw air out of the vents in the door. I can
>>>> believe that this is source of wind noise.
>>>>
>>>> So the additional door weather stripping and the rear side window flow
>>>> through vents go hand in hand.
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>> '82 westy, diesel converted to gas in '94
>>>>
>>>> http://www.members.shaw.ca/albell/
>>>>
>>>> On 21-Oct-04, at 1:29 AM, Al and Sue Brase wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the door weather strip is the same; it's just that there is
>>>>> also an auxiliary wetherstrip as well. I've checked on it at the
>>>>> dealer
>>>>> and it's not too bad. seems like about $40 each.  I'm not sure what
>>>>> it
>>>>> takes to install, but I should find out. All of my earlier Vanagons
>>>>> could use help.
>>>>> Another thing, the later Vanagons changed the interior air exhaust
>>>>> vent
>>>>> from the rear of the front door to the rear of the rear side window.
>>>>> this might reduce the noise up front.
>>>>> Do all the  late European diesels have Kat's or are those just retro
>>>>> fi?
>>>>> A Katalysator (catalytic converter, for you Engisch sprechers out
>>>>> ther)
>>>>> will make it a little quieter..
>>>>> Al Brase
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>