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Date:         Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:45:56 -0400
Reply-To:     vw4x4@FYI.NET
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject:      Re: NEW -  SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
Comments: To: Kurt Grotz <kgrotz@MAIL.CRAFTECH.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <LPBBJNMLKNNACJHPMHCOMECNDLAA.kgrotz@pop3.craftech.com>
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Are you getting spark? What plugs are in the motor? ERic

Kurt Grotz wrote:

>Thanks for the people that have replied to my call for help. > >As far as getting started goes I have taken all suggestions. I have dried >it out and cleaned it out. NO GO. I am about ready to throw in the towel - >before I do - one last request. > >Seems symptom now is that is the air intake distributor and system in >general keeps filling up with fuel and then - I am back where I started. I >did nothing to the electrical system and it ran fine before I had this water >in the gas problem (and now gas in the air problem.) I am thinking that >maybe I screwed up (well more than I have already) and have the plug wires >and/or injector plugs on backwards somewhere. I have tried to be careful, >but who knows. So... > >1. I cannot find a clear graphic in Bentley's on firing order and cylinder >numbers to G up to distributor. This is my understanding > >Front of Car > >Cylinders and firing order >41 >32 > >Distributor - with rotor going counter clockwise >41 >32 > >Is that correct? > >2. Injector plugs - it is possible I got one or both sides reversed. I was >careful, but who knows. How do you tell what plug is for what injector. > >I am hoping that it is one of these simple explanations. If not it is a tow >off to my Mechanics, on there first opening, about 2 weeks from now. > >Thanks for your prompt help in advance. > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf >Of Stan Wilder >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:48 PM >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Vanagon fuel tanks always hold about 1.5 gallons of gas that you can't get >to or drain out the fuel discharge line. >To get this fuel out you need to get the driver side of your van up about >10" high and all fuel will then be in the outlet corner of the tank. >Using a 1/4" fuel line weighted with solder or other weight drop the line >into the tank and wiggle it so it will reach the very back corner of the >tank. Wrap the exposed length of the fuel line with a rag that plugs the gas >filler neck. Using compressed air blow through the rag so it slightly >pressurizes your tank and forces out the remaining fuel in the tank. It just >takes enough pressure to get the gas moving so it can start a siphon. You >may need to move the hose several times to keep it in the fluid. >After you've gotten out all the water / moisture then you can put about two >gallons of gas in with 12 oz of Berrymans B12 and it'll get rid of the >remaining water through your engine. You cal also use a product called HEAT. >Take a good look at what you've gotten out of the tank. >By using pressure to enhance the siphon effect I've gotten a lot of large >crystals of rust, crud or whatever out of my tanks. >If you've been back firing (I suspect you have) take a look at the fuel pump >switch inside your AFM (I've got a picture if you need it). Be sure that the >flapper valve is working properly in your AFM and the fuel switch is >over-riding properly at full rest position. > >Stan Wilder >High Performance Ceramic Coatings >www.engineceramics.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >Kurt Grotz >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:22 PM >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: SERIOUS FUEL PROBLEM - I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!! > >I will dispense with the self proclamations of stupidity and absolute >embarrassment over my own stupidity - but here is my problem. If I cannot >get a good answer - I am sure never to go 110 miles per hour in Texas. > >Last week I sent out an appeal to the list -- HELLLLLLLLP..... remember? >Well there was only one reply - I forget who now in my frustration but he >convinced me to get rid of the filter between tank and pump. > >Did that - but a continued supply of water in the system meant continued tow >jobs. I threw in the towel and decided to completely drain the tank and >replace if necessary. > >STUPID ME - As I described in the last email - I used the bleeder port - >whatever that "T" thing is with the little screw that is impossible to screw >back in with out dropping it. I thought that would be a safe avenue to pump >out that gas. Hook up a hose, connect pump to spare battery and out comes >the gas. > >About 10 minutes in to the process gas start pouring out of the air cleaner >housing. OUCH!!!! Talk about flooded! So to make a long story short I >completely flooded the air-gas-oil all the fluid systems with gasoline. I >thought I got it all out - and presto - the care would not even turn over. >How stupid was I? I finally called my mechanics who confirmed my suspicion. >Total flood. > >I took out the plugs and injectors and air filter unit and disconnected the >coil and turned it over to pump out the gas. That sent it out the plug >ports and down through the exhaust as well. I know this because gas came >through the seams. So - no I go from too much water in gas to gas >everywhere. I let it sit 24 hr to dry out, and today tried starting it. it >ran for 15 seconds and that was it. At least it turns over now. Checked >oil - sure enough - gas in there. So I drained oil and put new in it. Of >course it won't start. > >Did I ruin the engine? Am I fried? I NEED HELP BAD! I reckon I will have >to send it to my mechanics - if they let me bring it in there. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. I will call someone if necessary. > >Thanks for your help. > >Kurt Grotz >610-565-2530 > >PS - DO NOT USE THAT BLEEDER/T connection for anything other than real >quick work. > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 > > > >


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