Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:14:36 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: AMC / German Cylinder Heads (LVC)
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If youve passed emissions inspections within the last several years then
the China VW s are some behind your emissions levels (meaning more
emissions).
Guess I could do some research but not much point
. I can accept being
wrong on this and not loose any sleep over it.
Stan Wilder
High Performance Ceramic Coatings
www.engineceramics.com
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tmiller
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:49 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: AMC / German Cylinder Heads (LVC)
They are probably just a couple of generations behind what we have now.
Heck, I drive a 91 Jetta diesel and 92 Jetta gas vehicle and compared to the
2004 models, I bet they are "terrible polluters" in comparison. They
weren't so terrible in 91 and 92!
TEMiller
Stan Wilder wrote:
In a recent Public Television show they said that the gasoline and diesel
VWs made in China are old technology and are terrible polluters. They are
old technology so as to keep the vehicle prices down.
VW claims that the next generation will be better but still not meet Euro
Pollution requirements.
I think it has a lot to do with the ability to refine fuels to higher
standards required by US and Euro cars.
Stan Wilder
High Performance Ceramic Coatings
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Subject: Re: AMC / German Cylinder Heads (LVC)
Don't forget, VW is planning on generating a toe hold on the Chinese auto
market by building them there. That does not mean we won't see those
vehicles elsewhere in the world. They tried to make Rabbits in PA but the
QC sucked and they gave up!!
TEMiller
Kenneth Wilford wrote:
Even if you rely on the VW logo it doesn't neccesarily mean "made in
Germany". I just sent a customer a set of coolant hoses for her 85 Vanagon.
Most of the hoses were VW and the few aftermarket hoses were German.
However she started to get upset that some of the hoses (the VW ones) were
made in Turkey! Another one is made in England (didn't seem too upset about
that one). She should be happy that she can get these hoses at all. There
is no aftermarket for the ones that she got upset about. Plus they have the
VW logo on them so like Calle said you have to trust their QC (Quality
Control).
I hate to tell you folks this but if you read VW Trends there was an
article in there recently showing the president of VW at a ground breaking
ceremony for new offices in (drum roll) China! Guess where they will start
moving production in the future? So getting hung up on "Made in Germany"
may not be very practical in the near future.
Just FYI. I still like VW. (Note to self- learn Cantonese).
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
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I remember a story from many years ago when Swedish Match was famous all
over the world (?) for itīs safety matches that would only be able to lite
up on the surface of the box itself .
One day there was a large number of Chinese visitors to the plant and a
while after there was a request to the Swedish ambassador if the Chinese
could name a factory that they have built "Sweden" to honour the Swedish
Matches. The question was passed on to the government who was very
flattered
and said that offcourse - this was OK !
Some time later the first matchboxes was out on the market with the "Made
in
Sweden" mark on them .
True or false - I donīt know.....
I thought of it back then as just a child story but today Iīm not so sure.
Itīs like the best ( IMO) cellphone Ericsson makes, the "sharkfin" antenna
type (T350??) that is shock and waterproof and perfect for outdoor life -
and made in China
But I close my eyes to these "made in" signs on products and rely on the
mother company quality check and warranties - and feel like being fooled
to
contribute to the company profit every time
My point is - donīt be to picky about the "made in Germany" or VW logo, it
might just as well be made somewhere else on the globe and maybe the
aftermarket partīs made at the same place - but with a better price since
it
donīt need that fancy box
Calle
BTW - I use the Nokia 5210 phone instead of the Ericsson, itīs not quite as
waterproof but smaller and (with a built in antenna) more pocket friendly
!
-and contains the same cheapest in the market Taiwanese components as any
other phone made ;-)
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: AMC / German Cylinder Heads
I bought a few sets of these about two years ago to do the same thing
(compare them with the AMC). Unless something has majorly changed you will
see they are the same. I think I remember them saying "Germany" on the
outside of the box and coming in a Kohlbenschmidt box but that is a lot
different than saying "Made in Germany". I don't remember them actually
saying made in Germany on the head anywhere. You will see that where the
"AMC" normally is the KS logo has been engraved into the head.
If you find anything different let us know.
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
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That's the confusion: AMC heads are definitely made in Spain, however,
it
was reported on this list that the Kolbenschmidt heads are actually
relabeled AMC heads. Today, I was told by my supplier that the
Kolbenschmidt heads are actually German made (i.e., not AMC). I really
won't know for certain until the Kolbenschmidts arrive and I do a
side-by-side comparison. If they came from the same mold it should be
fairly obvious.
Cheers,
Jeff
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Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:38 PM
To: Jeffrey Schwaia
Cc: HYPERLINK "mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM"vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: AMC / German Cylinder Heads
Now the question is this...
I bought a Vw remanufactured engine from south africa.. but when i
opened the box it came in... it had inspection stickers as far as run
inspection stickers from Frankfurt, Germany.. and all paper work was in
german inside the box..
would that mean my AMC heads that are one my engine are the German ones?
any input?
thanks all,
jess
89 carat
On Oct 18, 2004, at 4:56 PM, Jeffrey Schwaia wrote:
I hate to revive this thread, however, I just spoke with my supplier
of the
Kolbenschmidt WBX'er cylinder heads and he assured me that they are
indeed
made in Germany. He says Germany is cast in the head and stamped on
the
box.
I've placed an order for a few sets so I should be able to confirm
this when
they arrive and I compare them side-by-side to the AMC. I'll keep the
list
posted.
Cheers,
Jeff
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