Date:         Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:25:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Darren Lastfogel <dlastfogel@PLYFORMS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Darren Lastfogel <dlastfogel@PLYFORMS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Turbo diesel 5-speed DOKA Made Legal
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Please!! This is getting ridiculous. Some people are dragging this guy's
name through the mud. It is for parts, take the ad for what it says then who
ever buys it can do what they want Illegal or not it is there choice.
Besides what really makes it Illegal? Because the Feds say so? To me this is
a ridiculous law, and I would not hesitate a bit to swap complete body and
frame to my old legit VIN#'s.

Vic, keep up the good work bringing these great vehicles to the US.

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Zeno [mailto:vw4x4@FYI.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:22 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Turbo diesel 5-speed DOKA Made Legal


If this guy is a list member why doesn't he speak up and defend
his position.  Personally  after all that was said on this subject,
i've got a very bad taste in my mouth over this guy.  I'll be  out
in vegas in feb. and was going to visit him, but now I don't
think anyone trying to kill vanagon, will get my attention.

                                                                    Eric

BenT wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 00:58:38 -0500, Kim Brennan <kimbrennan@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hell, folks, I'm ready to buy this thing for parts, just to end this
>>whole thread...
>>
>>Oh, wait, I'm a bit light headed at the moment.
>>
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>Hey Kim,
>
>I'm with you on that. I tried very hard to stay out of this on the
>list but it is just not going away.
>
>The Seller is Vic Ahmed. He owns Vanamania and ZSimports in Las Vegas.
>Vic has also been a longtime Vanagon List member. As a matter of fact,
>I have had dealings with Vic on more than one occasion.
>
>He is obviously in the business to make money. He selected the Vanagon
>or T3 as his primary vehicle of choice for his business. For that we
>should all applaud him. Now this does not mean I agree with his
>auction description. I do believe folks who have an interest in these
>vehicles can read between the lines. There should have been a
>disclaimer for those who do not understand the process. To that end,
>the auction description is lacking and even going off the beaten path.
>
>I talked to Vic about it this morning.
>
>
>IMHO, Jeff is right about the legal ramifications of buying such a
>vehicle uninformed. It was right to discuss the matter openly.
>However, some of the legalities should be left for the courts to
>determine. We are not lawyers or judges (ok maybe some of you). That
>is assuming the folks charged with enforcing the law brings about a
>case to begin with. That goes back to the reason why so many folks
>getaway via methods mentioned in this thread. Law enforcement clearly
>does not consider this matter a high priority issue.
>
>OK so noone is likely to go after you. That does not make it right.
>
>Summary: 1) Auction was a bit deceptive. 2) I know the guy in person.
>He's always been fair to me. 3) It is not legal to import a vehicle
>w/o paying import duties. 4) You can import a vehicle as a parts car
>and pay duty on that basis. Vic must have done that to get the
>container cleared. 5) You can certainly certify the vehicle in
>question for road use by completing the necessary work and legal
>documentation. Cost may surprise you.
>
>BenT
>just my two centavos
>http://members.aol.com/bentbtstr8/myhomepage/index.html
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