Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:23:13 -0800
Reply-To: Tim in Seattle <syncrowesty@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Tim in Seattle <syncrowesty@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: oh (deleted), here we go again
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You've got to be kidding. "Shit" is a word that causes censorship? I
see 604 instances of shit in the archives (63 instances of shit in the
subject line) and don't recall any prior restraint such as this. What
brought this on, Tom? I'd really like to know.
With all the shit in the archives, I gotta ask, is shit ever allowed?
Will someone be cleaning those dirty archives? Or will shit come in
and out of favor based on Tom's moods amount of time to wade through
all the shit.
Where does the word ban stop? What if I'm talking about "How to Shit
in the Woods, an Environmentally Sound Approach to a Lost Art." (by
Kathleen Meyer, Ten Speed Press, ISBN: 0898156270)? It's a great book
on the proper way to, well, shit, in the woods when you are dry
camping in with your westy (required vanagon content). How about
slight variants on shit? Like Merde? Or what if I say Shite? Crap?
Poop?
What about non-defecation related words? Bitch? It's allowed on
primetime TV. Damn? Asshole? Bastard? I just don't get this. These
are words that reflect the language of everyday life.
I think the issue of "kids" is a red herring. Kids on the internet are
going to see a LOT worse things than the occasional shit word.
What kind of tightass (can I say ass?) country have we become? Janet
Jackson's Superbowl nipple (can I say nipple?) caused a huge uproar.
Now this issue of the commercial showing an "Angry Housewives" TV show
star in a towel in locker room with an NFL player is getting
everyone's panties (can I say panty?) in a wad (can I say wad?). Mr.
and Mrs America are sitting around with their kids watching a sport
that glorifies violence (I've played football, I KNOW, the intent is
to hurt the other players), and they have the audacity to complain
about a nipple or a towel? Pleeeease!
I'm willing to admit there are some inappropriate words for the list
-- a certain four letter word starting with "f" and ending with "uck,"
is an obvious choice (or non-choice) of words not to use. But, shit?
Come on, that's going a bit too far.
Frankly, I think the list can do a pretty good job of policing itself
on issues like this. If the community standard is to be a shitless
list (not to be confused with shit list, something no one wants to be
on), then the archives will reinforce that, and when the occasion
misstep occurs, the list community will let the errant poster know
what is and isn't allowed.
In this case, it seems like the list has spoken and the archives seem
to back me up. I guess you could say, when it comes to vanagons,
people tend to tolerate a little shit.
Tim in Seattle
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:27:35 -0500, Carrington, Tom
<tcarrington@relitech.com> wrote:
> Joy:
>
> Frankly, wrong answer. Period.
>
> When I see profanity on the list, I interject. The fact that I unable to
> check the list mail for few days and it took me a while to respond does not
> excuse your posting.
>
--
Tim King
Seattle WA
87 Syncro Westy/Suby 2.5
