Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:45:11 -0800
Reply-To: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Subject: Is it just me,
or? Re: Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
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I get these all the time... haven't sent a command/request message in dunno
when. Pretty sure I'm not on the poop list.
Any theories? Happening to anyone else?
Cya,
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "L-Soft list server at Vanagon List (1.8d)"
<LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:01:33
>
> Your message to vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM has been forwarded to
> the "list owners" (the people who manage the vanagon list). If you wanted
> to reach a human being, you used the correct procedure and you can ignore
> the remainder of this message. If you were trying to send a command for
> the computer to execute, please read on.
>
> The vanagon list is managed by a ListServ server. ListServ commands
> should always be sent to the "ListServ" address, ie
> LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. ListServ never tries to process messages sent
> to the vanagon-request address; it simply forwards them to a human being,
> and acknowledges receipt with the present message.
>
> The "listname-request" convention originated on the Internet a long time
> ago. At the time, lists were always managed manually, and this address
> was defined as an alias for the person(s) in charge of the mailing list.
> You would write to the "listname-request" address to ask for information
> about the list, ask to be added to the list, make suggestions about the
> contents and policy, etc. Because this address was always a human being,
> people knew and expected to be talking to a human being, not to a
> computer. Unfortunately, some recent list management packages screen
> incoming messages to the "listname-request" address and attempt to
> determine whether they are requests to join or leave the list. They look
> for words such as "subscribe", "add", "leave", "off", and so on. If they
> decide your message is a request to join or leave the list, they update
> the list automatically; otherwise, they forward the message to the list
> owners. Naturally, this means that if you write to the list owners about
> someone else's unsuccessful attempts to leave the list, you stand good
> chances of being automatically removed from the list, whereas the list
> owners will never receive your message. No one really benefits from this.
> There is no reliable mechanism to contact a human being for assistance,
> and you can never be sure whether your request will be interpreted as a
> command or as a message to the list owners. This is why ListServ uses two
> separate addresses, one for the people in charge of the list and one for
> the computer that runs it. This way you always know what will happen,
> especially if you are writing in a language other than English.
>
> In any case, if your message was a ListServ command, you should now
> resend it to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. The list owners know that you
> have received this message and may assume that you will resend the
> command on your own. You will find instructions for the most common
> administrative requests below.
>
> +---------------------+
> | TO LEAVE THE LIST |
> +---------------------+
>
> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not
> the subject line), write: SIGNOFF vanagon
>
> +--------------------+
> | TO JOIN THE LIST |
> +--------------------+
>
> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not
> the subject line), write: SUBSCRIBE vanagon
>
> +------------------------+
> | FOR MORE INFORMATION |
> +------------------------+
>
> Write to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM and, in the text of your message (not
> the subject line), write: "HELP" or "INFO" (without the quotes). HELP
> will give you a short help message and INFO a list of the documents you
> can order.
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