Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:33:03 -0600
Reply-To: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
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From: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Just interesting observation & More Questions
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Sometiomes, WBX owners, just before changing oil, add some Marvels
Mystery Oil (MMO) to the engine oil, and run it for a hundred miles or
so, before draining. MMO seems to remove any stickyness within the valve
train. and particularly in the lifters.
Regards,
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Matthew C. Huntley wrote:
>Cool!
>
>Thanks for the clarification. I really appreciate the info.
>
>What is the best choice for Plugs? I am new to Vanagons, and I want to do
>a little bit of a Tuneup this weekend!
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>
>>The heavier oil restricts flow in the older engines with <ahem> "looser"
>>fitting parts, improving overall oil pressure. The original equipment oil
>>filters have an anti-drainback valve to prevent the oil from draining out
>>of
>>the heads and back to the sump. Some of the aftermarket filters either do
>>not have this valve, or it is poorly made and allows the oil pressure to
>>drain off back to the sump. Dry hydraulic lifters make lots of noise
>>until
>>they pump back up with oil...
>>
>>Don in Reidsville, NC
>>1987 Vanagon GL Syncro (Suzie)
>>1988 Vanagon GL (Sylvia)
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Matthew C. Huntley" <matthew.huntley@STRATHBOGIE.NET>
>>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>Sent: Fri 17 December 2004 13:15
>>Subject: Re: Just interesting observation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am curious,
>>>Why does that combination of Oil/Filter fix this?
>>>I understand the viscosity of the oil, but what it is with that brand of
>>>filter that makes it preferable?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>I'm not familiar with the Aircooled vanagons, but it sounds to me like
>>>>you have the infamous "Vanagon Clattering Valve Lifter Syndrome.".
>>>>
>>>>On the water cooled models with the 1.9L and 2.1 L, the clattering
>>>>issue
>>>>is addressed by using a 20W50ST oil and a Mahle/Mann oil filter
>>>>specifically. Not shure that would work but certainly investigating it
>>>>would be a worthwhile endeavor. Those are hydraulic lifters in the 81,
>>>>so it is very likely subject to the same leakdown problems, which in
>>>>the
>>>>WBX engines is addressed as above.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>John Rodgers
>>>>88 GL Driver
>>>>
>>>>Anonymous Digest wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Just to pass along something interesting, mine is an 81 air cooled with
>>>>>lots of miles on it. Often when it sits more than a few days, it is one
>>>>>noisy bugger when I start it up, summer or winter, regardless of the
>>>>>oil
>>>>>of choice. Lifters or whatever are really loud.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am used to it, and what I have noticed is that it has sat for about
>>>>>six
>>>>>weeks outside, on a very slight incline in the driveway, nose up. Not a
>>>>>lot of hill, but its enough of an incline to make the basketball games
>>>>>interesting.....
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, when I would start it up after sitting on this small tilt, no
>>>>>excessive noise, clatter, or banging. Did it about three or four times
>>>>>in
>>>>>six weeks. Nothing. Sounded just perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>>I put it in the garage a few days ago for the CV joint adventure, and
>>>>>when
>>>>>I started it up today, the racket was back, and the clatter was pretty
>>>>>intense for about fifteen minutes.....
>>>>>
>>>>>The oil level is fine, so it almost looks like, in my case, sitting on
>>>>>a
>>>>>slight incline appears to nearly eliminate the "lifter syndrome" or
>>>>>clattering, or whatever one wishes to call it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing spectacular, but I guess maybe I should get a pair of ramps and
>>>>>park it nose up when its in the garage. Can't really leave it out on
>>>>>the
>>>>>hill, as last year someone shot out the back window....
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, just something to say that is not related to the CV joints.
>>>>><shrug>
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>--
>>>Any opinions stated here are my own, otherwise someone else would have
>>>said them.
>>>
>>>
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>Any opinions stated here are my own, otherwise someone else would have
>said them.
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