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Date:         Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:42:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Al and Sue Brase <albeeee@MCHSI.COM>
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From:         Al and Sue Brase <albeeee@MCHSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Coolant Drain and replace
Comments: To: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
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Well, it would be really easy to get into a political rant here, but, presuming we all believe it is important to have clean water, there would seem to be only 2 choices, private industry and government, to ensure proper disposal of toxic waste. Actually, it kinda takes combination of both. But being the fiscally thrifty (dare I say conservative?) person that I am, I believe that private industry can do a far more efficient job of this, just so long as government has the ability to put its foot on their ass occasionally to keep them honest. I believe that if they are not up to being responsible for the results, they are not capable of selling it in the first place. Surely they have bean counters that can figure a selling price to cover such recovery costs? (I guarantee they do!) Actually, in the near future, as the costs of petrochemicals begin to reflect their real costs, recycled oil and antifreeze may begin to show more value as refinable goods n their own right. I can remember back in the early 60's when you could buy a quart of re-refined oil for 10 cents! I don't think there were any different viscosities, but it was clear! Surely you jest! Wall-mart doesn't accept oil and anti freeze? I buy mine at Advance Auto Parts and they definitely do. So does my local government, but the Advance facility is inside the store and warm and clean and I can use their rest room and hand cleaner and buy more oil and tranny oil and antifreeze. Including SYNTHETIC oil and tranny grease, even RED LINE oil! (I'm way too cheap for that.) Why would I even consider dumping my oil at the city station right next to the stinky city garbage and in the cold? See! Private industry does it better. MUCH better. I think K-mart also accepts oil. I don't know about the polyester slacks. Furthermore, I don't know where I'd find any, even for a scavenger hunt! (Maybe at your house, Robert?) Don't get me started about polyester! Wall-mart is not a very good competitor and do not earn my business. Besides, Advance Auto Parts is filled with motorheads like me. One young guy is a former bus owner from Tucson. People just like us! Al Brase

Robert Fisher wrote:

> So we should start a rumor that Wal-mart is accepting used antifreeze, > motor > oil and polyester slacks as part of their new neighborhood-friendly toxic > substances recycling program. I'd like to see those (ahem) 'service' desk > folks when dozens of people a day start coming in with greasy old jugs of > whatever. > > Of course, all of these things are far more toxic when you're done > with them > than they were when you bought 'em. Whose problem is that, ethically? > > Cya, > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al and Sue Brase" <albeeee@MCHSI.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: Coolant Drain and replace > > >> I'm sure anyone that would sell you such a toxic substance would have >> to accept the old stuff for proper disposal. They could ethically do no >> less, could they? >> Al Brase >> >> Mark Tuovinen wrote: >> >>> " Legal maybe but still not a good idea"' >>> >>> Don is right. It is legal in some cities, but never good for the >>> environment. There is more then one type of sewage processing >>> system in >>> use in the U.S. and some, like the one here in Anchorage do very >>> little to >>> treat the waste. It removes large chunks, treats the rest with >>> chemicals >>> and flushes it out into Cook Inlet. It is not designed to handle toxic >>> waste materials. If you have waste antifreeze to dispose of check with >>> your local government for their recommendations, ask your local repair >>> shops, or look for a recycler in the Yellow Pages. >>> >>> Mark in AK >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: don spence <dkspence@TELUS.NET> >>> Date: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:38 am >>> Subject: Re: Coolant Drain and replace >>> >>> >>> >>>> Legal maybe but still not a good idea. Here we have toxic waste or ECO >>>> centres where you can take all sorts of stuff to keep it out of the >>>> ground water and the landfill ( which essentially means the same >>>> thing)On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 08:45 PM, Automatic digest >>>> processor wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> In most areas the consumer amounts of coolant are legal down the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> house> drain. If you are on a septic tank no. Do not dispose of >>>> in the >>>> >>>> >>>>> street or >>>>> a storm drain. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >

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