Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:36:04 -0700
Reply-To: jimt <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
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From: jimt <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
Subject: Re: Just Curious
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Not sure on this, but isnt the honda van one of its mexican produced
vehicles? Loosing track of what vehicles are being built or partially built
or finished in what is becoming one of the biggest producers of export
vehicles in the world.
Even VW has shifted more production there and may be shifting more to get
around the bad dollar situation.
jimt
On 2/20/05 12:10 PM, "John Reynolds" <kayakjr@JUNO.COM> wrote:
> ":It drives better than any other I have owned or driven (Dodge,
> Plymouth, Ford, Chevy, Honda, Nissan, Mazda)"
>
> I'll take issue here, owning a Honda van. I test drove a Eurovan and
> with the heavy discount, I could have had an MV (no pop-top - been on the
> lot for almost a year) for the same price as the Honda, but it simply did
> not handle anywhere near as good as the Honda - which is always listed as
> the best handling mini van in all the comparison tests. Of course the
> Eurovan is an older design, so that stands to reason. Look at the road
> tests - no need for subjective opinion here.
>
> The main reason for passing on the MV was it's fuel mileage (and VW
> reliability). 5mpg less than the Honda, especially around town. V6
> Passats and other VW's are poor sellers in Europe due to the fuel economy
> - in the van it is even worse. We felt bad about getting out of car
> that gets 30+ mpg to a van, so this was an important aspect. I liked the
> uniqueness of the Eurovan, but ignoring the mileage for the sake of image
> and style would put me in the same class as the moms I meet who choose a
> SUV over a mini-van for the sake of style.
>
> The other reason I passed is I tried the bed and did not find it
> comfortable and without the pop-top, we still could not sleep our family
> of 4 in there - hence we kept the Vanagon and got the Odyssey van.
>
> Removing the rear seat / bed assembly in the Eurovan would be a pain - in
> the Honda, remove the rear head rests and flip the seat into the floor.
> We do this all the time - it is absolutely great. If you have a van
> with this feature, you will never get one without it. Add the VW price
> problem, even after the 5K drop in price and it is no wonder Eurovans
> have been slow sellers. Also the Eurovan also has only one sliding door.
>
> I still like the Eurovan, because it is different. I like the rear
> facing jump seats - I like the interior. While I did not care for the
> bed, or the way it folded, I think for a couple travling, the MV would be
> great.
> John
>
>
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