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Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:16:24 -0700
Reply-To:     jimt <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
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From:         jimt <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
Subject:      Re: gas prices- a canadian perspective
Comments: To: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <422A331F.1020703@charter.net>
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On 3/5/05 15:30, "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET> wrote:

> > Aside from the oil issue thought is the need for clean fuels, and we > aren't getting there yet. Needs lots of work. > > Regards, > > John Rodgers > 88 GL Driver > Chelsea, AL

Was just looking at a couple sites after finding out that one of the two little refineries here in denver is closed because it couldnΉt put out the newer fuels required for clean air. I found they arent the only ones. Across the country numerous small local refineries are being closed for the same reason. Costs to much to bring up to the newer cracking standards needed to make the new mixes of gasoline. Individually these little refineries are not a real impact. Here in denver the conoco refinery only provided about half of the fuel for conoco and the diamond shamrock only provided about half as well. Maybe half a cent on the gallon impact. However if you look across the country and start closing about 30 of these little refineries and you start to get an impact. Especially if that locale is not on the major gas feed lines. Add to that the refineries play a juggling game with the output products to meet mandated federal outputs for fuel oil and some other products and you get another fun game. They need to put out enough gasoline to meet the vehicles demands and yet out of the same barrel start storing up the fuel oil for a projected winter demand. I ran across a site with some tables on that a while back. Our refineries in the US are pushed to right at max output with demand right behind them. One refinery takes an unscheduled drop for maintenance and we have major difficulty in gasoline supply or other products.

A major refinery corp stated that with todays pushes for alternative fuels, building more refinery capacity is a gamble they donΉt want to take. Instead they are themselves investing in alternative fuels technology research. •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• jimt Planned insanity is best. Remember that sanity is optional. http://www.tactical-bus.info (tech info) http://www.westydriver.com


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