Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:20:36 -0500
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Honesty....Re: '86 full Westy for sale...$2000...
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Andrew,
You have many very good points. I also think you are right, that
most of us
are car collectors at this stage of the game. I would like to add, that
most of us
who find these Vanagons still practical, are very handy with a wrench
and fix
them ourselves. Otherwise you are probably one of the most honest people
who have ever posted here..... Many kids would buy your van for more
money, not knowing about your disclaimer.....
Eric
Andrew Fox wrote:
>hey you dont have to agree with my opinions (unless you want to buy my
>van) and im not a member of the list im just using it to sell a van. I
>firmly believe that vanagons are not practical for real life use, i think
>most of you are car collectors and that's fine i just dont want some poor
>sap to think "hey look theres a car you can drive around every day and
>sleep in". Yeah if you spend thousands of hours and dollars and maintence
>maybe, then youll have an unrealiable unefficient deathtrap to drive
>around and sleep in, hello you can sleep in a station wagon or tent or
>youth hostel or friends house too. So yeah i think vanagons are
>rediculous but to each his own i just dont want to sell this vanagon thing
>to unsuspecting regular people without letting them know the truth and i
>think all of you should be more forthcoming in expressing what vanagons
>are really about to everyday people. Its a car for car collectors, it
>is'nt practical at all by todays standards.
>
>Andrew Fox
>
>Oh yeah and you who think this van is such a fabulous deal and will but it
>sight unseen are nuts! Its only in VW la la land where 20 YO cars sell
>for tens of thousands of dollars. The rest of the population out there
>see it as a 20 YO beat up van, if you want to find a deal dont look here
>or on thesamba look in your local classifieds where the normal people go
>to sell their vans.
>
>On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Robert Keezer wrote:
>
>
>
>> Andrew Fox wrote:
>>"Disclaimer:
>>Vanagons are not reliable, they are hard to find parts
>>for, hard to find people to work on them, they get
>>horrible gas mileage, they are bad for the
>>enviornement, and they aren't safe. In short they are
>>for car collectors and not people serious about
>>travelling or transportation."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>How could such a great member say such a awful thing
>>about one of the best VW's VW ever made?
>>
>>Why even be a Vanagon list member if you disdain them
>>so much?
>>
>>I don't like old Furd Escorts either but I sure am not
>>a member of an Escort club, neither would I email
>>their list to make such anecdotal claims.
>>
>>I can understand a temporary doldrum over blown head
>>gaskets ( IMHO you should have done a engine
>>conversion like my '95 Golf engine etc).
>>Or having to do your front bearings twice, or have the
>>trans go out after you rebuilt the engine.
>>
>> Yo- I don't get the "bad for enviroment"-not if
>>properly tuned and maintained. Functioning properly
>>fuel injection is very environment friendly, if there
>>is such a thing. I have to pass emissions or I don't
>>drive.
>>
>>Certainly none of us have bashed Furd vans, have we?
>>
>>But to say the Vanagon is unreliable is the fact that
>>the one in the driveway won't run after years of abuse
>>and neglect.
>>
>>I converted my Vanagon before I ever used it, and some
>>start at the other end with sattelite dishes and
>>laptops. Eventually we may meet in the middle with
>>something useful.
>>Or stuff it all into a Furd van.
>>
>>In order to make the power plant reliable, you have to
>>change the engine in my opinion to one that is proven
>>reliable.
>>With my present inline-4 of six years no cooling
>>system problems. No front end service needed. All
>>bearings still good. Brakes perfect, just changing
>>fluid, pads and shoes.
>>There's a few of us around.
>>
>>Oh, I did have a transmission problem after 8 years of
>>service -broken diff housing. Got it fixed by original
>>rebuilder who says the rest of the 4-speed trans is
>>OK.
>>Minor stuff-had a plastic coolant adapter break when I
>>should have used steel-even still, it lasted ten
>>years.
>>
>>The WBX engine is another story.
>>I have no argument with anyone that it isn't reliable.
>>Only a few have never had problems- I think they are
>>in the Guiness book.
>>
>>My '82 runs like new. It has a '95 engine. A new five
>>speed transmission.
>>Oh yes, power steering and AC.
>>
>>Im restoring a '89 Wolfsburg and what I'm finding is
>>that the PO just let so many little things pile up
>>without fixing them, and when the central locking went
>>wacko ,he bailed out.
>>
>>
>>You may have bought such a neglected Vanagon , and
>>without the time, money , or merchanical aptitude you
>>bailed out too.
>>
>>I have owned my Westfalia for ten years.
>>WIth a Motronic engine same as a mid-nineties VW,
>>It has the On-Board Diagnostics like the '98 Furd.
>>
>>The only thing I don't have is airbags and ABS.
>>
>>If we are all the ignorant little Vanagon people , why
>>can't we be left alone with our ignorant bliss?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>1982 Westfalia, daily driver
>>
>> (With over 300,000 miles-shows I got a lot of serious
>>travel upt to 24 mpg in my hobby inline four powered
>>Westfalia starting at 139,000 .)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- Andrew Fox <afox@CNR.COLOSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is one catch, anyone who wants to buy my van
>>>has to agree to
>>>acknoledge my "vanagon disclaimer" which will be
>>>printed on the bill of
>>>sale. You can read the disclaimer on the ad at
>>>thesamba.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=157107
>>
>>
>>>Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 JordanVw@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In a message dated 3/8/05 6:19:15 PM Eastern
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Standard Time,
>>>
>>>
>>>>afox@CNR.COLOSTATE.EDU writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gold, Automatic, approx 175K miles.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Good:
>>>>>30K on new heads, dual propane tanks, plat cat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>heater, dennis haynes
>>>
>>>
>>>>>custom bumper/hitch, headlight relay upgrade,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>dual batteries, much more...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The Bad:
>>>>>Rear end is sagging, minor oil leak, has had
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>some exterior body panel
>>>
>>>
>>>>>repairs (a few small dents) very little rust.
>>>>>
>>>>>Priced for quick sale: $2000, $1600 without the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>plat cat heater or less if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>nobody takes it at this price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Located in Fort Collins Colorado
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew Fox
>>>>>98 Ford Westfalia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>at this price, im sure it wont last long...
>>>>
>>>>chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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