Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:31:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Alcohol, Baby ! (Was Octane)
Comments: To: Greg Potts <Greg@pottsfamily.ca>
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 I did'nt see a point in the post to add extra details
such as timing and jetting changes because the changes
can go beyond that (tanks lining, flex fuel chip,
sensors, etc.)

The-85 fuel isn't available in Washington except for
racing and many new vehicle owners have flex-fuel cars
and can't get the fuel for it.

For my Vanagon, which has a '95 Golf engine,  The tank
may have to be lined with a sealer to keep alcohol
from eating away the metal. I did'nt mention this
either.
I remember using gasohol that was 95 octane in South
Dakota,and it ran fine.

Robert

1982 Westfalia



--- Greg Potts <Greg@pottsfamily.ca> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Your statements are true... but are not accurately
> presented.
>
> Alcohol will only run cooler if/when the timing and
> carburetion are
> adjusted to run on alcohol. If you take a gasoline
> engine and fill it
> with alcohol without adjusting the air/fuel mix
> and/or timing then you
> will run hotter and get reduced gas milage.
>
> In addition: The same water-cooled engines that can
> run without a fan
> on alcohol could just as easily run without a fan on
> gasoline under the
> same conditions. This was a common trick to get a
> quick HP increase on
> 1960's cars that were run on the highway or
> dragstrip. At highway speed
> the fan isn't helping to cool your vehicle so why
> waste the HP required
> to turn it?
>
> I'm not against alcohol as a fuel, I just don't like
> seeing critical
> details left out.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> 1973/74/79 Westfakia Conversion **Bob the Tomato**
> LY3H
> 1977 Sunroof Automatic L63H/L90D
> 1988 Vanagon GL 8-passenger Automatic
> http://www.pottsfamily.ca/westfakia
> http://www.busesofthecorn.com
>
>
> On 23-Mar-05, at 2:41 PM, Robert Keezer wrote:
>
> > Alcohol burns cleaner and cooler. Having alcohol
> in
> > your fuel actually helps run the engine cooler,
> which
> > an air-cooled needs. Water-cooleds like it too.
> >
> > Some water-cooled engines can do without a fan
> running
> > on straight alcohol.
>
>



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