Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:11:13 -0700
Reply-To: James Ballen <ballenjames@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: James Ballen <ballenjames@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Coolant hose wearing due to AC belt
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Thanks Jeff and everyone who responded...
My van is an '83.5, and my 1.9 setup is the "newer" kind, i suppose, with
the "H" pipe, and I have the new style coolant tank w/plastic cap.
Interesting that your hose from tank > crossover pipe is so close to the AC
belt...I just checked mine out, and I have plenty of clearance there.
I just checked out the tension in the belt again, and it seems fine too...
This never happened before I got my rebuilt motor installed...but first
showed itself on my trip out here to chicago from the Bay Area, CA (which
was about 4000 miles on the motor). Luckily the groove didn't go all the
way through until I just got home the other day and I saw steam coming outta
the rear...
what happened was that it finally wore enough to where a pinhole sized hole
formed and was spitting a small stream of coolant around the engine bay...
My motor mounts seem OK, so I don't think that that is the problem...
Jeff, your idea of a "hose guard" seems like a good one. If I can find an
appropriate material for the job, I may go that route. If it continues to
be a problem though, I may just remove the belt. and go w/out the AC
(although I have a feeling I'm going to really want it here in a month or
so)
Always something...which is why i love/get annoyed w/my van...
Also on tap is to install a new fuel pump that i bought, as well as new hose
and filter(s)...
FYI, there's a guy on Ebay who will sell you a NOS Bosch fuel pump for $90 i
think it was.
thanks all.
James
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From: Oxroad@aol.com
To: ballenjames@HOTMAIL.COM
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Subject: Re: Coolant hose wearing due to AC belt
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:16:10 EDT
James et al--
I've always had a problem with the A/C belt grooving on the coolant hose. I
have an early watercooled--meaning low VIN number 83.5 with the 1.9 L. The
real early 83.5 water cooled engines had a different cooling hose set up
and
different coolant expansion tank. My expansion tank has a metal cap among
other differences. (You can check your ETKA to see the alternate hose set
up).
The hose set up on mine lends itself to getting hit by the A/C belt even
more than the more common 1.9L set up. I'm guessing this is why they
changed the
system in late 83 or early 84. My system does not have the obsolete "H"
pipe
or "double T" as it is sometimes called (025 121 438). Although most of the
parts I have are obsolete as well, so it helps me feel like I'm part of the
gang.
The hose from my expansion tank to the metal crossover pipe is about 1/3 of
an inch, if that, from the A/C belt.
Anyway I could go on and on about the hose set up--but it's really not that
useful info. since most of you have a later model bus or have "upgraded" to
the later 1.9L expansion tank with the obsolete "H" or "double T"
To solve the problem I repalced the grooved coolant hose, then wrapped it
with a piece of galvanized metal or some metal sheet i got at the hardware
store. It's held in place by two hose clamps. Obviously you don't want to
clamp
the hose clamps too tight--but tight enough so they don't move. Also make
sure
the "edge" of the sheet metal wont' be in a position where it will grab the
belt.
The sheet metal has a few skids on it from the belt--but honestly no
problems with the "system" for about 6 years.
Oh, and I disconnected the A/C belt.
Alright, while I did disconnect the A/C belt recently--it has been hooked
up
for 6 years and the "hose guards" have worked great.
For those with an 83.5 check your hose set up. When I first noticed the
groovy issue I thought at a glance I had the same set up as most busses
until I
looked more close. So James, I don't know what year your bus is--I think it
might be an 83 also if I remember. Maybe it has the odd early set up I have.
Best,
Jeff
83.5 Westy
LA,CA