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Date:         Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:19:30 -0400
Reply-To:     samc <samc@SURFGLOBAL.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         samc <samc@SURFGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Diesel Fuel vs Gasoline
Comments: To: Jonathan Farrugia <jfarrugi@UMICH.EDU>
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Joy Much appreciation for your concern ... Where I live (VT) our Legislature consistently has to deal with issue resulting form contamination and pollution from sources to our west, and we are labelled as some sort of miscreants for expressing and acting on our envrironment concerns. So, you have a sibling advocate here on on "the west coast of New England." SamC > > feel free to have a glass of red wine on me, i'm having one :). anyhow > the following statement that i made: > > "beyond that stuff if you have a chip on your shoulder about environmental > issues then you might be drawn to the diesel conversion." > > was made with tongue firmly inserted in cheek :). i certainly have an > environmental chip on my shoulder, or at least that is what people tell me > :). i've always been impressed more by those that lead by example than > those that preach about what to do, so i don't preach to much :). > > jonathan > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Joy Hecht wrote: > > > Jonathan, > > > > Sorry, I'm not willing to let this one slide. > > > > I don't consider having a realistic concern about the harm we are causing to > > air quality and the world's climate to be "having a chip on your shoulder > > about environmental issues." > > > > Consumption patterns in the US are causing major harm to the whole world. > > Now, not hypothetically in the future. Most of this country seems unwilling > > to acknowledge that, or seems to feel that their own self-interest outweighs > > any conceivable obligation not to harm other people. Would that more of > > this country, and perhaps some people on this list, felt a moral obligation > > to keep from causing further environmental harm! > > > > > > > > Joy > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > Joy Hecht > > and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon > > > > For musings about life and the vanadventures: > > http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy > > > > **************************************************************** > > > > :::-----Original Message----- > > :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf > > :::Of Jonathan Farrugia > > :::Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:31 PM > > :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > :::Subject: Re: Diesel Fuel vs Gasoline > > ::: > > :::John > > ::: > > :::gas 2.09/19mpg = .11 cents per mile > > ::: > > :::diesel 2.26/28 mpg = .08 cents per mile > > ::: > > :::not much of a price difference seemingly. then we look at approximate > > :::fuel costs over a year. > > ::: > > :::gas 15000 miles x .11 cents per mile = 1650 > > ::: > > :::diesel 15000 miles x .08 cents per mile = 1200 > > ::: > > :::so if you drive that much and you can do a diesel swap for 450 it would > > :::pay for itself in the first year. it would probably take most people two > > :::years to recoup the cost if they did the work themselves. borrowing a > > :::"line" from the tiico site you can also cut your costs by selling your > > :::good running wasserboxer. you just have to find someone that thinks used > > :::wasserboxers are worth having :). > > ::: > > :::beyond that stuff if you have a chip on your shoulder about environmental > > :::issues then you might be drawn to the diesel conversion. if you want to > > :::run biodiesel or waste vegetable oil your operational cost might be lower > > :::in dollars and cents depending of the value of your time. > > ::: > > :::or you could just be an odd ball like me and want to do a diesel > > :::conversion building everything from scratch and put it in at 15 degrees > > ::::). it did help that i found a late model 1.6 NA for $125, and that all > > :::the parts i designed for my inline conversion will mount the engine :). > > ::: > > :::jonathan > > ::: > > :::On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, John Rodgers wrote: > > ::: > > :::> Can anyone tell me why one would w3ant to got to the trouble and > > :::expense > > :::> of installing a diesel in their van vs staying with a goline engine???? > > :::> > > :::> Gasoline here in my are can be bouth at $2.08.9/gal. , while diesel > > :::> costs $2.25.9/gal. > > :::> > > :::> Sure doesn't look like much incentive for going diesel. > > :::> > > :::> Thanks, > > :::> > > :::> Regards, > > :::> > > :::> John Rodgers > > :::> 88 GL Driver > > :::> Chelsea, AL > > :::> > > :::> > > :::> > > > > > >


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