Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:12:36 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
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From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: westy cold = rich
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I have never seen a temp 1 sensor go bad and the temp 2 sensors are not
wear or even common failure items. I think I have changed 5 or 6 in all
the Vanagons I've worked. The one in Fun Bus went flaky on me at around
214k. Most of the time, problems with the temp 2 sensor is due to the
wiring or the connector. The connector parts are notorious for corrosion
and merely disconnecting and reconnecting will often restore proper
operation. Replace the contacts in the plug assembly or replace the
complete plug. Except for color, it is the same plug that is used for
the injectors and the FLAPS will have these as they are also used on GM
cars.
As for the fuel pressure regulator, they work or they don't. A bad
regulator is usually a ruptured diaphragm, obvious by the fuel leaking
into the vacuum hose going into the manifold.
Dennis
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Of Mark Keller
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 3:48 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: westy cold = rich
Well on the surface the symptoms match a faulty Temp I sensor, The Temp
II is a good just replace because item. I had them fail with out to
much warning, especially when a change in temperature occurs.
According to Darrell Boher's (sp) report and testing, The Temp I sensor
is a bit of a wildcard, in Pre Digifant ECU's it is more agressive in
the start up fuel map, than Digfanc ECU's, in which it's mostly ignored
until air temp is below 32 f.
Having said that, if your fuel pressure regulator is out of
specifications on the high side when cold starting, ie somewhat to much
fuel pressure, and The Temp I and Temp II are affecting the fuel map, ie
the amount of millseconds the injectors are turn on, for the cold
start, then you could easliy have a funky running motor, until the Temp
II starts to Come up to it's first reconizable input for reduction in
the fuel map.
An aftermaket Temp II, I had, when tested against the VW Temp II
(of the same application) took about two minutes longer to reach this
first level of input. Since then I only run VW mfg TEMP II sensors,
even though I get only 8 monthes to 24 monthes service. Change em when
you change your coolant,.
So if this Westy has the aftermaket style Temp II, or a Fuel Pressure
Regulator That is High, confirm by testing after a overnight cold soak,
This is one possible, but subtle, cause.
Also a maladjusted AFM spring-- a good thing to verify that it is set.
Should yeild a .3 -.7 volts reading on the sensor lead, on a fully warm
engine that is above 3000 rpm with a load, and the O2 sensor is
disconnected. Remember that pre cat vanagons operated this way their
whole life, just AFM spring tension and no O2 sensor
Mark
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