Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:52:29 -0500
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From: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts
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Right On, Bro!!
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Don Spence wrote:
> I Spoke recently with the CEO of Talisman Energy Inc. He stated that
> the world consumes 30 billion barrels of oil per year. We (humans) are
> "replacing" (ie finding new sources) only 3 billion barrels per year.
> Here in Alberta the talk is of the revitalized Mackenzie Valley
> pipeline that will bring northern natural gas to Ft. Mcmurry where it
> will be burned to generate steam to liberate oil from the tar sands. (
> Probably at a net loss in usable BTUs)
> China and India are just starting up the automobile curve. China will
> soon replace the U.S.A. as #1 consumer of petroleum. They are already
> the #1 consumer of concrete and steel. Oil is a limited resource. The
> cost will skyrocket and soon. N.A. Automakers are still pumping out
> SUVs like there is no tomorrow and N.A. consumers still buy them and
> pickups that we don't need. We still build subdivisions on top of
> prime agricultural land that are only accessible by car where you have
> to drive 10-20 minutes to get a jug of milk. The day of reckoning will
> come sooner than you think and I'm not speaking biblically here. All
> this and the liberation of megatons of carbon that the planet's
> ecosystem spent millions of years removing from the atmosphere and
> storing as forests, peat bogs, coal beds, petroleum pools and gas so it
> could reach the equilibrium that allows for the biosphere to support
> life as we know it.
>
> But do "we" care? Whatever....
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 09:50 AM, Automatic digest processor
> wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:36:18 -0600
>> From: Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: was:NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts
>>
>> ">> For the record, I don't believe in importing so much as a drop of
>> oil
>>
>>> from any other country. No need to pick on the Saudis. I'd rather
>>> drive
>>> on what's grown by American farmers."
>>
>>
>> Remember that when you say stuff like that, that the farming of soy to
>> turn
>> into Bio ...... consumes barrels of oil that do not exist! We are long
>> past
>> being able to do anything to find our way out of the cul-de-sac our
>> gluttony
>> has parked us in.
>>
>>
>> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?&has-
>> player=true&version=6.0.11.847
>>
>> So, just where do we get the rest of the 20 million barrels we consume
>> daily, when we only produce 5 million, and we're 30 years past "the
>> peak".
>>
>> Let's get real
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