Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:00:28 -0500
Reply-To: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Don't Support the Saudi's???
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John,
John;
I think we all know you weren't bashing the Saudi people, who of course
have little or no say so in what their government does or how it
conducts its business. We here in this country all know how THAT feels.
We know you were just passing along a post about something that seems a
good idea but that was based on an insidious and BAD idea, the false
statement that the Saudis are boycotting American goods. The post
(which you should ALWAYS check out at snopes.com) was bogus like 99.99
percent of them are.
The problem is our demand for oil, not the supply or where it comes
from.
If people in this country want the price of gas to go down (they don't
know it but price is the least of their worries) they need insist on a
world that requires less driving, not on boycotts of our providers!
An interesting crystal ball for the future of automotive energy is the
cost of parts that allow conversion of vanagon gas to diesel:
Year ago Six months ago Today
Flywheel $35 $60 $100
Intermediate
Plate ? $15 Unobtainable
Engine $125 $250
Mounts
These are representative prices from ebay and other sources I've dealt
with. You could pay more or less in the past or at present, but the
trend is there.
Jim
On May 17, 2005, at 10:15 AM, John Rodgers wrote:
> The question has been raised about Saudi bashing in this post. None
> intended from my point of view. I have genuine questions about the
> reality of the oil supply problems, trade agreements, and other stuff.
> This is just daily dealings of an intenational nature. As with
> individuals, it is with nations .... "Every man for himself" - we all
> want the best deal we can get. That is human nature. After that need is
> satisfied, then other issues can be addressed, but not here, please.
>
> Thanks for the opinions you all have given - both on list and off
> list.
>
> BTW, some have felt the attachment I sent is one of those "Hoax" type
> things. Perhaps so. Perhaps not. But if it is, my apologys to the list
> for posting it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Driver
> John Rodgers wrote:
>
>> I got this as an e-mail attachment from a relative. I'm skeptical so
>> tried to hunt down the DOE info and couldn't find it on the DOE web
>> site, but that doesn't mean it wsn't there. This list has some pretty
>> good heads about this kind of stuff, so I am looking for any input
>> specific to this subject or even just general commentary - the
>> feelings
>> of the List about this subject and the content of the message.
>>
>> One question I have about the message is "Are the non-eastern oil
>> importers able to supply sufficient fuel for the nation from their
>> sources?"
>>
>> What are your questions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> 88 GL Driver
>>
>> >Subject: Don't support the Saudis
>> >Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:38:05 -0500
>> >
>> >WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
>> >
>> >Why didn't George W. think of this?
>> >
>> >Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it.
>> >
>> >It might even be good for us!
>> >
>> >The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the
>> >favor and boycott Saudi oil.
>> >
>> >Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money
>> >into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that
>> >don't import their oil from the Saudis.
>> >
>> >Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
>> >fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to
>> >kill me, my family, and my friends.
>> >
>> >I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil
>> >companies are the best ..... to buy gas from and which major
>> >companies import Middle Eastern oil :
>> >
>> >Shell 205,742,000 barrels
>> >Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000 barrels
>> >Exxon /Mobil 130,082,000 barrels
>> >Marathon/Speedway 117,740,000 barrels
>> >Amoco 62,231,000 barrels
>> >
>> >If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>> >BILLION!
>> >
>> >Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>> >Citgo.......................0 barrels
>> >Sunoco...................0 barrels
>> >Conoco...................0 barrels
>> >Sinclair....................0 barrels
>> >BP/Phillips..............0 barrels
>> >Hess.......................0 barrels
>> >Arco........................0 barrels
>> >
>> >All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
>> >and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
>> >they are importing.
>> >
>> >But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
>> >buyers.
>> >
>> >It's really simple to do.
>> >
>> >Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain
>> >how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
>> >
>> >I'm sending this note to about thirty people.
>> >
>> >If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and
>> >those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so
>> >on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people,
>> >we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
>> >
>> >If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>> >each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!
>> >
>> >If it goes one level further, you guessed it .....
>> >
>> >THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>> >
>> >Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
>> >
>> >How long would all that take?
>> >
>> >If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one
>> >day, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within
>> >the next eight days
>> >
>>
>>
>
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