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Date:         Tue, 17 May 2005 17:52:29 -0500
Reply-To:     John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject:      Re: NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts
Comments: To: Don Spence <dkspence@TELUS.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <692835C3-C702-11D9-A298-003065A72624@telus.net>
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Right On, Bro!!

John Rodgers 88 GL Driver

Don Spence wrote:

> I Spoke recently with the CEO of Talisman Energy Inc. He stated that > the world consumes 30 billion barrels of oil per year. We (humans) are > "replacing" (ie finding new sources) only 3 billion barrels per year. > Here in Alberta the talk is of the revitalized Mackenzie Valley > pipeline that will bring northern natural gas to Ft. Mcmurry where it > will be burned to generate steam to liberate oil from the tar sands. ( > Probably at a net loss in usable BTUs) > China and India are just starting up the automobile curve. China will > soon replace the U.S.A. as #1 consumer of petroleum. They are already > the #1 consumer of concrete and steel. Oil is a limited resource. The > cost will skyrocket and soon. N.A. Automakers are still pumping out > SUVs like there is no tomorrow and N.A. consumers still buy them and > pickups that we don't need. We still build subdivisions on top of > prime agricultural land that are only accessible by car where you have > to drive 10-20 minutes to get a jug of milk. The day of reckoning will > come sooner than you think and I'm not speaking biblically here. All > this and the liberation of megatons of carbon that the planet's > ecosystem spent millions of years removing from the atmosphere and > storing as forests, peat bogs, coal beds, petroleum pools and gas so it > could reach the equilibrium that allows for the biosphere to support > life as we know it. > > But do "we" care? Whatever.... > > > > On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 09:50 AM, Automatic digest processor > wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:36:18 -0600 >> From: Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM> >> Subject: was:NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts >> >> ">> For the record, I don't believe in importing so much as a drop of >> oil >> >>> from any other country. No need to pick on the Saudis. I'd rather >>> drive >>> on what's grown by American farmers." >> >> >> Remember that when you say stuff like that, that the farming of soy to >> turn >> into Bio ...... consumes barrels of oil that do not exist! We are long >> past >> being able to do anything to find our way out of the cul-de-sac our >> gluttony >> has parked us in. >> >> >> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?&has- >> player=true&version=6.0.11.847 >> >> So, just where do we get the rest of the 20 million barrels we consume >> daily, when we only produce 5 million, and we're 30 years past "the >> peak". >> >> Let's get real > > >


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