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Date:         Wed, 18 May 2005 12:21:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jim Felder <felder@KNOLOGY.NET>
Subject:      Re: oil and gas
Comments: To: Don Williams <williams@FIRE.BIOL.WWU.EDU>
In-Reply-To:  <4.3.1.20050518092731.00a8c8d0@fire.biol.wwu.edu>
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Sorry, but I dispute this claim. If it took as much diesel fuel to plant and harvest vegetable oil, we'd probably have no vegetable oil.

Alcohol from biomass is another matter.

Jim

On May 18, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Don Williams wrote:

> Right on!! But remember, when you make ethanol from corn oil, or > diesel > from soy, that it uses a rough equivalency of fossil fuel to plant, > grow > and harvest the stuff. So there is no savings---just conversion of a > fossel fuel product into an agricultural product into a automobile fuel > product. That is why ADM (Archer Daniels Midland) is such an > outrageous > company. They want to convert corn into ethanol without telling us > that to > grow and harvest the corn, they have to use an equivalency of fossil > fuel!!! On the other hand, I guess we deserve the ripoffs that we > allow to > happen. Incidentally, I think I'll purchase another vehicle (Vanagon) > that > gets 16 MPG, while I'm thinking about it. > > Don > 85 Westy (16 MPG) >


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