Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:49:11 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Question on Biodiesel
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Isn't this whole Bio-Diesel thing just catch 22?
I eat more fries, onion rings and fried foods to make more used cooking oil
and then I gain all that weight and it takes more fuel to move me down the
road.
Don't get me wrong I love the smell of French Fries in the morning at every
red light but it causes me to salivate the whole day long.
The worst offenders are the Bio Cars that smell like Donuts and you can't
find a Policeman when you really need one.
I saw the PBS show about the two guys that went from coast to coast in the
converted VW on used cooking oil ...............
How much weight did they gain?
Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimt" <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Question on Biodiesel
> On 5/17/05 11:22 AM, "Loren Busch" <starwagen@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > Okay, here is the $64,000,000,000 question:
> > What is the TOTAL cost in BTU vs. BTU output realized? And what is the
> > TOTAL acreage dedicated to producing the vegetable matter required?
> > (Assuming total replacement of fossil diesel)
> > The last figures I saw (some years ago) on bio fuels still put them in
> > the same category as running a generator with an electric motor that
> > was powered by the generator: Net loss in the system.
> > (And then you get into the mess they have in the UK of the government
> > collecting a fuel tax on the left over fish and chips oil)
> >
> A recent PBS program was an update on a previous program they had aired
> about 5 yrs ago. It had some interesting info in it and showed where some
> really massive changes in technology have been advancing and where many
> others are still stuck at the starting gate.
>
> With current costs of oil bio is becoming more cost effective.
> To be real cost effective oil was going to have to stay in the mid 50 buck
a
> barrel range.
>
> Acreage available would never feed more than 25-30% of needs.
>
> As demand for the fuels rises so would the costs of the bio portion of the
> fuel. Therefore though we would increase supply we would still never meet
> demand. This was the critical part of the program.
>
> The future for vehicles in the world may be multi-fuel stations. Vehicle
> fueling stations that provided LPG, Ethanol-Gasoline, Biodiesel, CNG, and
> high current charging stations (for batteries still in experimental
stages).
>
> Vehicles would become more diversified with hybrid, bi-fuel,or dual fuel
> capable.
> With the bi-fuel you would have two types of fuel in separate tanks. The
> computer would blend as needed by the engine. Dual fuel would be capable
of
> running on either of two types of fuel like a propane/gasoline setup could
> actually be a bi or dual fuel. Hybrids are still the elect/other fuel in
> combination.
>
> In the elect/hybrid area a couple French companies are working on charging
> stations with agreements that have set up charging spots in parking lots
and
> at some major companies. I kind of like that idea. Park and Charge
> franchise coming soon to a parking lot near you.
>
> jimt
>
>
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