Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:35:15 -0600
Reply-To: Don Spence <dkspence@TELUS.NET>
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From: Don Spence <dkspence@TELUS.NET>
Subject: Re: NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts
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I Spoke recently with the CEO of Talisman Energy Inc. He stated that
the world consumes 30 billion barrels of oil per year. We (humans) are
"replacing" (ie finding new sources) only 3 billion barrels per year.
Here in Alberta the talk is of the revitalized Mackenzie Valley
pipeline that will bring northern natural gas to Ft. Mcmurry where it
will be burned to generate steam to liberate oil from the tar sands. (
Probably at a net loss in usable BTUs)
China and India are just starting up the automobile curve. China will
soon replace the U.S.A. as #1 consumer of petroleum. They are already
the #1 consumer of concrete and steel. Oil is a limited resource. The
cost will skyrocket and soon. N.A. Automakers are still pumping out
SUVs like there is no tomorrow and N.A. consumers still buy them and
pickups that we don't need. We still build subdivisions on top of
prime agricultural land that are only accessible by car where you have
to drive 10-20 minutes to get a jug of milk. The day of reckoning will
come sooner than you think and I'm not speaking biblically here. All
this and the liberation of megatons of carbon that the planet's
ecosystem spent millions of years removing from the atmosphere and
storing as forests, peat bogs, coal beds, petroleum pools and gas so it
could reach the equilibrium that allows for the biosphere to support
life as we know it.
But do "we" care? Whatever....
On Tuesday, May 17, 2005, at 09:50 AM, Automatic digest processor
wrote:
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:36:18 -0600
> From: Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: was:NVC Don't Support the Saudi's/Fuel for our beasts
>
> ">> For the record, I don't believe in importing so much as a drop of
> oil
>> from any other country. No need to pick on the Saudis. I'd rather
>> drive
>> on what's grown by American farmers."
>
> Remember that when you say stuff like that, that the farming of soy to
> turn
> into Bio ...... consumes barrels of oil that do not exist! We are long
> past
> being able to do anything to find our way out of the cul-de-sac our
> gluttony
> has parked us in.
>
>
> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?&has-
> player=true&version=6.0.11.847
>
> So, just where do we get the rest of the 20 million barrels we consume
> daily, when we only produce 5 million, and we're 30 years past "the
> peak".
>
> Let's get real
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