Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:02:04 -0400
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
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From: Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET>
Subject: Re: About them Norcold refrigerators
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The capacity of the alternator has little effect on the rate of charge
to a battery. The charge rate is determined by voltage. Since the
alternator is regulated at a fixed voltage and does not compensate for
battery state of charge or temperature, it is also a poor choice for
really charging deep cycle batteries. Typically, at the 13.8 volts, a
battery will charge at ~ 20-30 amp hours up to ~ 75% state of charge,
then the rate will drop even lower. You really need to plan on 4 hours
drive time to get batteries even close to fully charged.
Dennis
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Of Otmar
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:19 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: About them Norcold refrigerators
At 2:05 PM -0700 7/12/05, Doug in Calif wrote:
>I realize that the batteries would have to be replenished after some
use
>How long would you have to run the alternator to replenish two deep
cycles
>in the battery compartments?
>Say if you ran the engine for 15 minutes how many amp hours to you
actually
>get back?
That depends on the alternator, batteries and the state of charge.
As long as the battery is under 85% full, you can charge it very
fast, especially if it's a AGM like the Optimas are.
Let's say you ran one of these Engel 45s as a fridge at 1 amp average
draw for 24 hours. So you would be down 24 amp hours. Now you run
your engine with a 95 Amp alternator on it.
(What do the Vanagons have stock? My ABA has a 50/90 Amp unit,
whatever that means, and the Tdi has a 120 Amp unit)
So anyway: Say you run a 95A alternator, it takes about 5A to run the
car, so you can get 90 Amps to the battery. You'll charge about 22.5
Amp hours in 15 minutes which almost makes up for a day of
refrigeration.
On the other hand, if you have two dead 100 amp hour batteries (70
lbs each) then you can expect to sit there and charge for over two
hours to replenish those 200 amp hours of charge.
Also be aware that the alternator does not give out full power at
idle. I find I have to rev the engine to about 1500 RPM in order to
get full output.
On my Van I run 150 Watts of solar panels on a roof rack. In the
desert some months ago it was maybe in the 80's during the day and
the panels just kept up with the freezer draw for a week with the
panels flat on the roof. I probably had about 200 lbs of batteries on
tap. (battery capacity can easily be estimated by the weight of the
lead acid battery) If I had run low I could have tilted them towards
the sun for more power.
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