Date:         Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:22:44 -0700
Reply-To:     Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
Subject:      Re: No start..... rebuilt engine.... over my head...
In-Reply-To:  <42E813ED.3020305@videotron.ca>
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No fair Ben.  You said it was an '84 which usually has a 1.9 with Digijet.
You never told us it was converted to Digifant.  How's the list supposed to
make a diagnosis with fault info???

Bad Ben....

Cheers,

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
Of Ben
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:08 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: No start..... rebuilt engine.... over my head...


Thanks to all.... quick answer.... we were able to start the van
with...."Brake cleaner"...yea yea, direct into the air plenium...
???????????????????????????????????? ... after a few shot of PRIMING the
vannnn... it did start and we were able to maintain a idle...and after a
few minutes... some kind of normal power.... that said... still, when
giving quick gas.. heavy backfire or should i say, intake backfire (he
he he)... so, playing around with different wire, vaccum
and!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TEMP 2 sender......... we found that
the temp2 was dead.... or corrupted, ha ha ha..(remember, I AM THE
CORRUPTOR)... yes brothers and sisters, a faulty temp2 (the blue one on
the coolant pump) can give you some strange behavior... unplug =  safe
mode and no problem at cold start... plug: false reading = lean
mixture.... well, it is the problem! so problem solve... this sender,
wile plug, was probably giving me wrong reading... kind, i guess, a hot
start situation.... so no cold start operation.... no choke......

The only part i didn't change.... stupid me, i should have know better...

Regards... Ben

Tom Young wrote:

>From: "Benny boy" <huotb@VIDEOTRON.CA>
>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:37 PM
>Subject: No start..... rebuilt engine.... over my head...
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>>I need suggestions... i have a 84 here that i just resealed... (heads)
>>it's been 8 hours that i am trying to start that van without success..
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>>Every components where checked...(Fuel-air-fire), injection wiring and all
>>FI components, AFM, that stupid 84 hall-sender and idle system control...
>>EVERYTHING... mechanical timing and so on... am over my head with this
>>van... of course, it came here ont's own so i created the problem... the
>>only thing that was not change is the slow moving starter....??? still,
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>it's
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>>turning enought...
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>>You should also know that the van started yesterday for about 15 sec.  it
>>died after and never started again.... i have fuel, air and fire (basic
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>rule)...
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>>Every single wire to the ECU was checked, every possible FI components
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>were
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>>checked per the book....
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>>Any suggestions????????? maybe am not seing something obvious....
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>It's *not* "Fuel-air-fire", it's "sufficient compression, acceptable
>fuel/air ratio, and strong enough spark at the proper time."  If you're
>really sure that you have "fuel-air-fire" then assuming compression's OK
>your fuel/air ratio is strongly out of whack or the spark's being delivered
>at the wrong time.
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>Are you sure you didn't flood the engine with that 15 second start?  If so,
>all your subsequent attempts at start will only worsen the problem.  (I did
>this once and the air distribution box ended up with a cup or so of gas
>sitting in it.)  Pull the plugs and see if they're wet; if they are, let
>things sit (plugs out) for a day or so and try again later.
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>Did you pull the distributor and maybe put it in 180 degrees off, or attach
>the plug wires in the wrong places?
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>You need to determine what part of "sufficient compression, acceptable
>fuel/air ratio, and strong enough spark at the proper time" isn't working
>for you.
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>Tom Young
>Lafayette, CA 94549
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