Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:08:33 -0700
Reply-To: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Happy Bicycling"
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I think we should send free bicycles to China and
get them back on bicycles or else the former gas
stations in America will have signs like "Happy
Bicycling" or "See America Best By Bicycle"
We could send Lance there to kick of the Tour de
China to reinspire them to get back on the bike
and be healthy again. Or else they are all going
to end up like us jerks.
Robert
1982 Westfalia
--- Dennis Haynes <dhaynes@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote:
> Many pick on China because they have a large
> supply of inexpensive labor
> that it will be years before their wages will
> be competitive. Their new
> found consumption is also a driver for the
> price of oil going up. In
> some cases the inexpensive labor results in
> reduced prices and increases
> in our standard of living. Cheapy-tronics is a
> prime example. Especially
> in the PC market as much componentry is from
> China now. I like being
> able to buy a disposable bike from China for
> almost nothing but I have a
> problem with Schwin asking $400 for a bike from
> China with their name on
> it. Quality is ultimately a management
> decision. However, when a company
> moves their manufacturing of an established
> product to another country,
> costs are usually the main driver and their
> will be quality problems as
> the new work force learns technologies they
> have never seen before.
>
> As for buying American, My last motor home was
> built on a Ford Chassis.
> The Chassis was built in Mexico. The new
> Hyundai Sonatas are being built
> in America. Go figure.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List
> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of David Marshall
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:18 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Why Americans Are the Jerks of the
> World!
>
> Nokian is a Finish company (Parent company is
> Nokia, the wireless phone
> company) what does this have to do with
> Americans as per the title?
> Isn't
> buying from Finland as "bad" as buying from
> China as the majority of the
> dollars are going to a country other than the
> USA? Let alone where the
> money goes when your Vanagon was originally
> purchased or when you buy
> parts
> for your Vanagon - very little of it is North
> American made so why pick
> on
> China?
>
> I honestly think the "cheap China goods" thing
> will change in the next
> few
> years as the Chinese Yen is no longer pegged to
> the US Dollar so now
> that
> there will be currency fluctuation between the
> USA and China, things
> will
> start to reflect the real value of those goods
> and you will see a price
> change on stuff made in China. Perhaps the
> goods will go up in price or
> down... time will tell. The Chinese are
> competing on the open and free
> market in a capitalist way which is the way
> that Americans are forcing
> on
> the rest of the world, so with that logic, how
> can buying from China be
> a
> bad thing?
>
> Chinese stuff can be crap and it can be good -
> all countries have their
> good
> and bad manufacturing points. The US made
> Schrade Multi-Tool that I
> have is
> a total piece of crap - so just because
> something is made in the USA
> doesn't
> *always* mean that it is good quality. The
> Chinese flip-flops I am
> wearing
> are lasting very well and I only paid $7 for
> Wal-Mart... we can start
> with
> the Wal-Mart stuff now too right!?
>
> Unfortunately Arthur C Clark is going to be
> right in his prediction in
> the
> book 2010 - China will be the West's enemy in
> 2010, just like the
> Russian's
> were during the cold war.
>
> So, what is the answer about Chinese tires on
> our Vanagon... buy BFGs or
> some other North American made tire or deal
> with it, or alternatively
> not
> start to complain about the Chinese tires
> unless they really are
> crap....
> which only time will tell and then the
> capitalist market will then work
> it's
> magic and the Darwin theory will come to play -
> Chinese tires will die
> or
> dominate.
>
> Sorry for the long post...
>
> David Marshall
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List
> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> Of George Goff
> Sent: July 21, 2005 5:42 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Why Americans Are the Jerks of the
> World!
>
>
> Now, this sucks!!!
>
> In the winter, I've used Hakkapeliitta's for
> almost 30 years.
> Currently, I
> use them on four cars which are in my
> maintenance program. So, my heart
> sank
> whenever I tripped over the following
> announcement. I noticed that
> Nokian
> is
> not shipping the Chinese junk to Europe or to
> their own country.
> Apparently,
> we are the only suckers who will buy their new
> found junk. Please spare
> me
> all
> the anecdotes of how quality stuff now comes
> from China because I will
> counter with any randomly picked example of
> Chinese goods picked which
> will
> prove
> you to be wrong. If the Chinese are making
> modern contrivances which
> are
> high
> quality, they are keeping them for themselves.
>
> George
>
> Nokian outsourcing to China.(News)(GiTi
> Tire)(Brief Article)
> Publication Date: 20-DEC-04
> Publication Title: Tire Business
> Format: HTML
> Company: Nokian Tyres PLC
> Author: Davis, Bruce
> Article Price: $9.95
> Subscription to Research: $49.95/month (learn
> more)
>
>
> Description
> Byline: Bruce Davis
>
> Tire dealers in North America handling the
> Nokian brand will be getting
> Nokian tires made in China starting next year,
> according to an
> outsourcing
> agreement signed by Nokian Tyres P.L.C. and
> GiTi Tire (China).
>
> The agreement calls for GiTi Tire-also known
> ...
>
> REF:
>
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-3523966_ITM&referid=2090
>
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