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Date:         Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:09:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: John Wallace Lives!
Comments: To: Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
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I've been watching the List Response to John Wallace. I just blocked mail from John Wallace early on and his replies simply bounced back giving him THE PROBLEM and not me. It just seemed to be the most common sense solution to a problem that the list has taken to its hear with a vengeance. It's a simple deal to block a sender and just forget about John Wallace forever unless someone with the same name owes you money.

Stan Wilder Engine Ceramics 214-352-4931 www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Fisher" <refisher@MCHSI.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: Re: John Wallace Lives!

I didn't ask for his new email address, he didn't offer it and I wouldn't publish it if I had it. I don't do things that way.

In recounting what he told me about the steps he took for his email address, I merely paraphrased in one line what amounted to about five minutes of conversation (out of perhaps fifteen). The steps he described to me seemed to me to be the correct procedure as I remembered it and was similar to what you describe. I didn't record the conversation or take notes, so I could be mistaken. I guess I should have checked with you to see if I had orders for an interrogation as opposed to my idea of simply giving the guy a heads up and put and end to the situation.

In short, whatever went wrong, as I see it after listening to him, was not the result of ignorance, inconsideration or stupidity but was rather a simple accident.

"Before I sent the recent email to the list about Robert's conversation with the now legendary John Wallace, I replied to Barb Cotton's inquiry about tire pressure and cc'd the list. And after I sent the post about John Wallace and looked at my inbox I found I'd been John Wallaced as a result of the server sending the response to Barb to the him.

My reply to Robert was appropriate. We all need his working address so we can send him an email every time we get JW'd. This is getting old, both for the JW messages themselves and all this list traffic about them."

I saw no particular reason to get into all this in my earlier post, but the guy is working away from home and has been for most of this time- obviously he would have missed the whole thing on his old email account anyway because after a certain point everything bounced off of it and he was no longer expecting list traffic on it.

He said he would take care of it as soon as he could (in so many words, I'm paraphrasing again), and that he would address the list when he did, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I don't even know that he has internet access immediately available to him where he is- it didn't sound like he did, but I can't be sure. I guess he couldn't just drop whatever he was doing and run right home so you wouldn't have to suffer under the burden of being Wallaced again.

I don't see what is appropriate about engaging in a campaign of petty harassment against somebody as revenge for a minor annoyance. I particularly don't think it's appropriate to take someone's email address, which one would have access to only as a result of the privilege of being on this list, and use it to engage in harassment or abuse.

I pointed out, a few days ago, that it was a matter of less than a minutes work in most email programs to redirect the mailer-daemon replies to one's junk or deleted boxes. I did this some time ago and of course haven't seen one since. If you haven't taken the time do that for yourself than you have no one else to blame for your continued annoyance.

Robert (apparently posting in my new role as Devil's advocate) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Walters To: Robert Fisher ; vanagon Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: John Wallace Lives!

Well, Robert, what is his new email address, inquiring minds want to know.

IIRC you can't send the server a message to change you email address. You have to subscribe with the new one and unsubscribe the old one. It doesn't have to be done in any order as they are handled separately. You could get email at several addresses if once wasn't enough. Or wait until you knew the new address had been implemented before unsubscribing from the old one.

Amazing how folks can find the commands to subscribe, but can't find that page again for going on vacation, unsubscribing, going to digest, etc.

-- Sam Walters Baltimore, MD

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