Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:09:20 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: John Wallace Lives!
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I've been watching the List Response to John Wallace.
I just blocked mail from John Wallace early on and his replies simply
bounced back giving him THE PROBLEM and not me.
It just seemed to be the most common sense solution to a problem that the
list has taken to its hear with a vengeance.
It's a simple deal to block a sender and just forget about John Wallace
forever unless someone with the same name owes you money.
Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Fisher" <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: John Wallace Lives!
I didn't ask for his new email address, he didn't offer it and I wouldn't
publish it if I had it. I don't do things that way.
In recounting what he told me about the steps he took for his email address,
I merely paraphrased in one line what amounted to about five minutes of
conversation (out of perhaps fifteen). The steps he described to me seemed
to me to be the correct procedure as I remembered it and was similar to what
you describe. I didn't record the conversation or take notes, so I could be
mistaken. I guess I should have checked with you to see if I had orders for
an interrogation as opposed to my idea of simply giving the guy a heads up
and put and end to the situation.
In short, whatever went wrong, as I see it after listening to him, was not
the result of ignorance, inconsideration or stupidity but was rather a
simple accident.
"Before I sent the recent email to the list about Robert's conversation
with the now legendary John Wallace, I replied to Barb Cotton's inquiry
about tire pressure and cc'd the list. And after I sent the post about
John Wallace and looked at my inbox I found I'd been John Wallaced as a
result of the server sending the response to Barb to the him.
My reply to Robert was appropriate. We all need his working address so
we can send him an email every time we get JW'd. This is getting old,
both for the JW messages themselves and all this list traffic about
them."
I saw no particular reason to get into all this in my earlier post, but the
guy is working away from home and has been for most of this time- obviously
he would have missed the whole thing on his old email account anyway because
after a certain point everything bounced off of it and he was no longer
expecting list traffic on it.
He said he would take care of it as soon as he could (in so many words, I'm
paraphrasing again), and that he would address the list when he did, so I
guess we'll just have to wait and see. I don't even know that he has
internet access immediately available to him where he is- it didn't sound
like he did, but I can't be sure. I guess he couldn't just drop whatever he
was doing and run right home so you wouldn't have to suffer under the burden
of being Wallaced again.
I don't see what is appropriate about engaging in a campaign of petty
harassment against somebody as revenge for a minor annoyance. I particularly
don't think it's appropriate to take someone's email address, which one
would have access to only as a result of the privilege of being on this
list, and use it to engage in harassment or abuse.
I pointed out, a few days ago, that it was a matter of less than a minutes
work in most email programs to redirect the mailer-daemon replies to one's
junk or deleted boxes. I did this some time ago and of course haven't seen
one since. If you haven't taken the time do that for yourself than you have
no one else to blame for your continued annoyance.
Robert
(apparently posting in my new role as Devil's advocate)
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Walters
To: Robert Fisher ; vanagon
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: John Wallace Lives!
Well, Robert, what is his new email address, inquiring minds want to know.
IIRC you can't send the server a message to change you email address. You
have to subscribe with the new one and unsubscribe the old one. It doesn't
have to be done in any order as they are handled separately. You could get
email at several addresses if once wasn't enough. Or wait until you knew
the new address had been implemented before unsubscribing from the old one.
Amazing how folks can find the commands to subscribe, but can't find that
page again for going on vacation, unsubscribing, going to digest, etc.
--
Sam Walters
Baltimore, MD
89 Syncro GL, Zetec Inside
85 Westy Weekender
85 Mercedes Benz 300D Turbodiesel - to become veggie oil powered
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