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Date:         Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:27:32 -0400
Reply-To:     "A. Hurley" <ahurley@VIEWIT.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         "A. Hurley" <ahurley@VIEWIT.COM>
Subject:      Re: A/C  - Freon to R134 conversion
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.BSF.4.58.0508021618400.9621@bemnet.pair.com>
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I looked in my Bentley again - it goes to 84. Has the extra heater (which the van doesn't have (my old one did) and skips to something else, no 87.2

The van was made in 10/84 - which my mechanic in Port Towsnsend told me is really an 85.

The air conditoning is installed in the back. The switch is on the left side of the steering wheel.

The little users manual that came with the van shows a different switch....

Maybe it needs a bit more.

A. Hurley wrote:

> Thanks everyone - I also got this message; > > "You didn't say what year your > van was... for the later, factory installed > versions the diagrams are in the Bentley at 87.2 and 87.3. Be advised that > the labeling for the high and low side hoses on 87.2 are reversed, i.e. > high > is labeled as low and vice versa. You need to be sure to get this right or > you could blow off your hands or blind yourself or something equally as > pleasant." > > (this is where my friend looks at me and says "see why I was concerned") > > - I tried to reply but his server isn't accepting email from my server! > > (the van is an 85) > > We seemed to be successful without any blood spilling (found the writing > on the back and used the lower, inside hose), and while no air > comes out of the top air conditioning unit (yet?) cool air does come out > of the lower heater duct under the back passenger bench. Esp. if I have > the lever pushed back. Is this normal, did someone switch things around, > or will air come out the top air conditioning unit at some time. > > It only took one larger bottle, and we used one with the gauge which said > it was full enough. (in the yellow) > > I remember reading it won't kick in until the ambiant air temp is above a > certain point.... > > Thanks, > > Andree > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We are in the process of trying this method but are a bit hung up on > > > which is the low and high fitting? > > > > > > Is the fitting that is lower and closer to the engine the lower > > > fitting? > > > > > > There is one that goes to the center of the compressor and one that > > > leaves from the side - which is the low side? (I'm choosing the lower > > > one but we are having a discussion...). > > > > > > Hopefully someone sees this soon as we are all set to jet! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Andree > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Jun > > > 2005, Ken Wilford > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have done the 134a conversions in many Vanagons with the full monty > > > > (compressor, new hoses, new dryer, new expansion valve, new o-rings and > > > > oil, flushing everything out, new fittings, etc) and have just had > > > > Vanagons that used to have R-12 in it and it is like a can or two low, > > > > and just added 134a to the van. Both work. If the compressor is bad or > > > > the system isn't working right to start with the full monty version is > > > > the way to go. If the van was running cool just last summer and isn't > > > > this year, you could probably get away with the "add some R134a to the > > > > system" option. > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > I bought an 89 Wolfsburg last summer in Georgia that had been off the > > > > road for a couple of years. I brought my tools down and had it up and > > > > running in a matter of a couple of days, but it was hot and I wanted A/C > > > > as well. It wasn't working and I couldn't bring my A/C tools down to > > > > Georgia with me. So I went to Wal-mart, and bought a charging kit that > > > > came with a couple of cans of 134a, some conversion fittings and a > > > > charging hose. I think it was around $30. Plus a couple additional > > > > cans for good measure. Added a can and the compressor came on. Two > > > > cans and a half and the A/C was blowing very cold. Drove the van for > > > > the rest of the summer and the A/C worked very well. > > > > > > > > Just my experience, > > > > Ken Wilford > > > > John 3:16 > > > > www.vanagain.com > > > > > > > > Stan Wilder wrote: > > > > > > > > >I can't believe that you guys are getting such a fleecing on A/C > > parts. > > > > >I bought new hoses matching my old hoses for $220.00, New suction valve > > > > >$28.00, New Dryer about $32.00 and added that under car condenser (I > > already > > > > >had it). I replace the seal in my compressor for $15.00. Bought ester > > oil > > > > >for the compressor for $6.00 for 6 oz. and bought 12 cans of 134 from > > Sams > > > > >club for $16.00. > > > > >The system only took 2 and a half 12" cans for a good charge. > > > > >I borrowed an evacuation pump but could have rented one for $10.00 > > > > >I really think you could screw up many times attempting to do it > > yourself > > > > >before you ever get to the $1500.00 tag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Stan Wilder > > > > >Engine Ceramics > > > > >214-352-4931 > > > > >www.engineceramics.com > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Mike Miller" <mwmiller@CWNET.COM> > > > > >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:05 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: A/C - Freon to R134 conversion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Had it done. I'm into the whole thing about 1500 dollars and it cools > > kind > > > > >>of. Still need the long hoses from front to back so I keep refilling > > it > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>134 > > > > >> > > > > >>Mike > > > > >> > > > > >>On 6/28/05 1:43 PM, "David M" <covrambles@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>http://www.gti16v.org/tb879503.htm > > > > >>>Has anyone had their Vanagon's a/c professionally > > > > >>>converted (as in above link) from R12 to R134 and how > > > > >>>much should it cost? > > > > >>>My Vanagon's A/c used to work well, now it does not > > > > >>>blow cold at all. I'm now in Phoenix, AZ so the van is > > > > >>>virtually unusable from May till October because of > > > > >>>this since its 100+ degrees every day. > > > > >>>Whan I bought my van the previous owner had had the > > > > >>>a/c recharged at a VW dealer and it cost $450. Thats > > > > >>>why I would like to convert to R134, I figure the cost > > > > >>>of frean will kill me. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>PS. I just had the a/c repaired in my 1995 Mercury > > > > >>>Sable and it cost $1900, mostly in labor since they > > > > >>>had to remove the dash and steering column to get to > > > > >>>it. > > > > >>>- > > > > >>>David, 87 Wolfsburg > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>__________________________________ > > > > >>>Yahoo! Mail Mobile > > > > >>>Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > > > > >>>http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Viewit.com, Onwatersports.com > > > Store Update: > > > http://www.viewit.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > > > June Newsletter > > > http://onwatersports.com/KIX/Newsletters/KayakNewsletterJune05.html > > > > Viewit.com, Onwatersports.com > Store Update: > http://www.viewit.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? > June Newsletter > http://onwatersports.com/KIX/Newsletters/KayakNewsletterJune05.html >

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