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Date:         Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:09:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Very Long...What am I,
              nuts? New 85 and Philosophy of Car ownership...very long
Comments: To: David Bohannan <fjazzbass@GMAIL.COM>
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I had an 83 Air cooled Westy for about 11 years. Over that time I crushed out several air cooled Vanagons and restored several Westfalia models more and resold them. I found that the first Vanagon I stripped down provided the many, many, many small parts and the supply of bolts, window trim, FI parts to keep not only my old 83 running but also enough parts to get the several that I sold back on the road. I stored the parts in used Cartop Carriers rested on plastic pallets (Ud be surprised that they'll hold a full engine and bunches more parts). With that said I'd suggest that you just dump the body and keep as many parts as you can and still have the rolling chassis that you can tow to the crusher.

Stan Wilder Engine Ceramics 214-352-4931 www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bohannan" <fjazzbass@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Very Long...What am I, nuts? New 85 and Philosophy of Car ownership...very long

All,

As I am sure those that saw my email last week or so remember, I just pulled a 150 dollar vanagon from IL to FL. I ended up getting a flat bed to put it on so as to not injure anything considering I knew nothing about this vehicle and only drove it about 3 miles at max speed of 30 or so...

My question is related to the Vanagon in general as a vehicle and the philosophy I should approach in owning 2 of these vehicles. Is it worth keeping and working on or should I pass it on to someone who may have more time/money to deal with it...and just keep the 2 vehicles I have...

The new one, which has not yet proven itself seems to have an oil leak, (2 drips on the driveway from center of pan) need some new exhaust components but other than that, it is pretty stinkin' straight. Very little rust, and not your normal northern style either...it must have been garaged for winters...

My philosophy has always been to have older cars, have multiples so that when one goes down, you have 2 more to drive etc...this makes it easier for planned outages as well...The problem with that here in FL is that the cost of insurance is pretty high and having old vehicles that you know are going to be out of service for certain times seems kind of wasteful.

My other vehicle besides the 2 85's is a Ford full size van...crappy mileage etc...I may sell it depending on the reviews from this list.

I am sort of in a quandry about what to do. I am in the position where if I don't spend any more money on this thing that I am only 300 bucks in the hole and it paid for itself in what I could pack in it for the move from IL to FL.

I love these old vans, but I am afraid I am not being as wise as I should be for dollars to dollars...I just did the heads on my other 85 and ended up costing a fair chunk of change...Nothing forced me to do this, but I did it because I saw a tiny leak and knew what I had and wanted to invest in having it for a longer period of time...what should my attitude be with the new one? Run the new one into the ground because I can? Help! Just need some good stewardship advice!!!

Dave 85 GL "Baby Bus" 85 "Nameless until I hammer this out"


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