Date:         Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:21:06 -0700
Reply-To:     Joseph Fortino <fortino1@EARTHLINK.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Joseph Fortino <fortino1@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: Traveller in distress (near Chicago) - UPDATE TWO
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Stan hit it right on the head regarding the diffrence and the way others react to help
people. most EV's are really hard to work on. and really some of the today's "VW"'s are
just a dealership deal when work is needed i feel.

I just love when i have a newer VW tring to run older brother off the road.. i just shake my head
but would i help them or try.  Stan summed it up real well i feel.

even the vanagon is effected i feel.

peace

-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sent: Aug 24, 2005 9:52 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Traveller in distress (near Chicago) - UPDATE TWO

Several years ago I attended a Pre Race campout event at a State Park near
Texas Motor Speedway.
Along with the thirty or so VW Campers, Ghia and Bugs there was one couple
in a Euro VW Camper Conversion.
They took the spot I had already registered and paid for when I left in my
Westy to go get Ice and supplies.
I didn't say anything to them about taking my spot, I just went back to the
gate keeper and registered for another less desirable spot that didn't have
a shade tree.
The couple was about 40 years old and traveling with a dog of small
dominion.
By 7 pm everybody with Vanagons, Splitties and Bays had arrived and set
tents, popped tops and in general milled around in a greeting mode.
Nobody was drinking alcohol or behaving unruly.
Several of us approached the EV folks and started a general VW oriented
conversation.
They were not the least friendly and we didn't press the situation. We just
continued in our rounds meeting everyone.
There were only three of us and every was dressed casual but clean and well
groomed.
Personally I don't care if the EV group are snooty or unfriendly because
I've lived many years without a kind word from their type or their group.
Would I help one of them if they had a problem?
Yes.
Would any of them help a Vanagon, Splittie or Bay bus owner in trouble?
I seriously doubt they'd give us a second look or thought.


Stan Wilder
Engine Ceramics
214-352-4931
www.engineceramics.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimt" <camper@TACTICAL-BUS.INFO>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: Traveller in distress (near Chicago) - UPDATE TWO


> Personally I will help a "camper" regardless if splittie, bay, vanagon, or
> euro.  However I have found that the vast majority of the euro crowd looks
> upon us all as "other" people.  Here in colorado there are probably a
couple
> hundred of the euro camper models in the state but only about a dozen
> "campers".  Note the difference in size of groups there.  With the vanagon
> here in the state about 80 percent will meet and greet.  The bay and
> splittie about the same.  Wonder if that one year gap between vanagon and
> euro had something to do with the split in relations?
> jimt
>
> On 8/23/05 11:13 PM, "George Goff" <THX0001@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 8/23/05 6:11:47 PM, roadguy@ROADHAUS.COM writes:
> >
> > << Common on EV-update folks ... Surely you can put aside the "VW,
> > DaimlerChrysler In
> >
> >
> > Talks" discussion for a few minutes to help a fellow traveller.
> >
> > So far .... most of the help has come from the Vanagon.com folks. >>
> >
> > To hell with those people, Larry.  They won't even help one of their
own, yet
> > they act like a Vanagon was the result of a drunken night spent with a
hooker
> > from the wharfs.  Did you ever wave to someone driving an EV?
> >
> > Chicago?  Call the Ghostbuster, or is that the Ball******?
> >
> > George
> >
> >