Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:13:31 -0400
Reply-To: Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
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From: Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon & Eurovan - community helping community
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Let's not bash the EV owners too hard... they are probably less willing to
leap to the aid of others because they are less likely to have needed the
help. Owning a van in it's first decade of life is much more trouble free
than the second (or 3rd, 4th or 5th). Consequently, many EVs are still
owned by folks who just buy their vehicles new (or nearly so) and drive 'em
with the assurance that all will be well.
We second & third decade Vanagon owners are just more dedicated to our
machines, because we need to be to keep 'em running... it's that
camaraderie of shared effort and risk that pulls us together. We're more
willing to help, because we've all needed the help at some point (or expect
to any day now :-).
Owners of bays and splitties are tooling down the road in true classics, so
the effort and risk (and the camaraderie) run that much deeper... if they
look down a little on Vanagon folks, it's because we drive such shiny new
trouble-free machines. :-)
Give the EVs another five to ten years, and they will pass from the hands
of the "just drive it" folks into the "I really like this particular
vehicle" folks... and they'll be waving at us with that same goofy smile we
all wear so well.
adding another two cents to the opinion fund...
Tim
At 05:10 PM 8/24/2005 -0700, Larry Chase wrote:
>Cross list post ... Vanagon.com & EV_update
>
>To: EV-Update folks,
>
>I recently posted a "distress call" for a stranded "Eurovan Traveller"
>to the Vanagon & EV lists.
>
>Several responses and offers of help came back from Vanagon folks, but
> very little from EV folks.
>
>I was a surprised and disappointed at the lack of help for one of your
>own.
>
>BTW .... current list membership count is:
>
>Vanagon.com = 904 members
>ev_update = 3627 members
>
>Those results prompted a discussion thread on the Vanagon list as to why
>EV owners don't seem to feel the same sense of Community (helping ea other)
>as perhaps Bus & Vanagon owners do.
>
>I don't intent this as a flame or put down to EV owners.
>
>I would like to understand your perspective.
>
>Why do you think EuroVan owners don't seem to be as motivated as other vw
>bus/van
>folks to help one another.
>
>Or am I off base and drawing the wrong conclusion?
>
>To me ... A VW VAN IS A VW VAN IS A VW VAN.
>
>I don't care if its air cooled, water cooled or beer cooled.
>
>We are all stuck with beautiful, but problematic vehicles.
>
>If someone is in need I'll try and help.
>
>I "clipped" a few of the comments from the vanagon group's discussion.
>
>- - -
>
>Personally I will help a "camper" regardless if splittie, bay, vanagon, or
>euro. However I have found that the vast majority of the euro crowd looks
>upon us all as "other" people.
>
>- - -
>
>To hell with those people, Larry. They won't even help one of their own, yet
>they act like a Vanagon was the result of a drunken night spent with a
>hooker
>from the wharfs.
>
>- - -
>
>I think the split is a result of the change in design philosophy. The
>Vanagon
>was still the same basic design from '80-- it was the last of the
>"traditional"
>Volkswagen designs. The EuroVan was just another minivan. It just doesn't
>have
>that same "thinking outside the box" look or feel that came with the old
>rear
>engine VWs, so it doesn't attract the same class of nuts.
>
>- - -
>
>Several of us approached the EV folks and started a general VW oriented
>conversation. They were not the least friendly. Would I help one of them if
>they had a problem? Yes. Would any of them help a Vanagon, Splittie or Bay
>bus
>owner in trouble? I seriously doubt they'd give us a second look or thought.
>
>- - -
>
>The average EVC owner/driver doesn't see themselves as part of the
>tradition,
>history or lineage that the Bus and Vanagon driver/owner/caretaker does.
>They
>just don't connect their EVC with the past history of VW campers or
>vehicles.
>I have to think that it is their loss, not ours. The sense of community
>among
>those driving Vanagons and Buses is lost to most of the EVC crowd.
>
>- - -
>
>I've met vanagon & bus folks like this too and I've met people in Ford
>campers
>who were nice folks. It's the people and not the van.
>
>- - -
>
>
>good road, good adventure
>
>larry chase
>
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>www.roadhaus.com/tires.html
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