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Date:         Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:23:40 -0700
Reply-To:     Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Tom Young <tomyoung1@COMCAST.NET>
Subject:      Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or
              "parts vanagon"
Comments: To: Donald Baxter <onanov@GMAIL.COM>
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Well, *of course* our fuel consumption problems can be solved by technology! If every new car purchased in America for the next 10 years was a hybrid you don't think fuel consumption would decline dramatically? Off course it would! I'm pretty sure that building a Prius or whatever doesn't consumme significantly more resources than building a V8-powered SUV, so net consumption of fuels of any sort would decline, a benefit of technology.

That's not saying that buying a hybrid necessarily passes your cost-benefit analysis; with gas at $2 per gallon it wouldn't for most people, unless you include the "feel good" factor. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Young Lafayette, CA 94549 ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Baxter" <onanov@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or "parts vanagon"

Mind you to all who are thinking about buying a new car to conserve resources--new *anything* doesn't conserve resources for a long time until after the purchase. Think cost-benefit analysis before buying! VW diesels (or any other new more fuel-efficient car) are cute and sexy, but it takes a long time to cover the initial expenditure. And those cars consume massive resources to build in the first place. A new Prius may make the more touchy-feely of us feel good, but it seems to me our fuel consumption problems are so systemic that they cannot simply be solved by technology. And like Joseph, i'm spending a lot of time walking and cycling and looking at my Vanagon parked!

On 9/2/05, Joseph Fortino <fortino1@earthlink.net> wrote: > > don't say anything but i ride my bike to work alot and save about 50 a > week now.. shhhhh > yup las vegas is nutty to ride in not for all.. > > I get great mpg so far. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET> > Sent: Sep 2, 2005 9:21 AM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or > "parts vanagon" > > I've got a 92 Crown Vic and it gets over 18 around town and a 24/25 mpg on > the highway. Much better than my 83 air cooled Vanagon at 16 -18 mpg > highway > and pretty poor 14-16 around town. > I'm basing highway numbers on running a legal 70 mph. > VW beetles and bugs along with Diesels get good mileage not big box > models. > > Stan Wilder > Engine Ceramics > 214-352-4931 > www.engineceramics.com <http://www.engineceramics.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Sisler" <rogersisler2000@YAHOO.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: Maybe now is the time to fill the tank of your extra car or > "parts vanagon" > > > > My son went off to college a few days ago. Up till then he had been > driving > > a crown victoria(gallons per mile).Now he dosent have to buy gas.Man did > he > > ever time the market just right! He is a business major ya know. >

-- --------------------------------------------- Donald Baxter 316 Ridgeview Avenue University Heights, Iowa 52246 www.onanov.com <http://www.onanov.com>


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